Support for dropping the nap part 9.

[Hedgehog17]

Aaaarrrgghhhhhhh! 

Shenanigans have started again here  It seems to be behavioural rather than OT / UT related - he's stalling because he can (ie he wants to try out all his new vocabulary and negotiating skills he's learned to avoid going to bed  )

I'm assuming it's developmental as he's stroppy (spent 10 mins sitting crying on the driveway this morning rather than coming in for lunch - I kept inviting him to come in), freaks if you do something he wants to do himself, even if he's already refused to do it once, and just doesn't seem to know what to do with himself... 

Tweaking times isn't really going to do anything here, and I have a feeling that a few NND would quickly lead to an even stroppier OT toddler 

Just have to ride this one out I guess 

[Khalam's Mama]

Same here HH. We are doing Nnd mixed with shorter naps. Bt is just too much on nap days though, but we are still getting nw on Nnd, though they are improving to a minute or so for long ones.

[barbaraz78]

We had a very rough patch around 3 yo. It lasted a couple of months and it was not sleep related at all...HUGS!

[Hedgehog17]

Thanks ladies 

He went down at 1.50pm for nap with no problems today  He was at nursery 9am - 12.30pm so he's knackered!

I'm thinking we need to make sure he gets tired with morning activities rather than letting him just potter around the house, which happened on Sunday and Monday, and led to monkeying around 

[Khalam's Mama]

I find b is more likely to seem sleepy if we are at home or when he is home with my mum, she says he just sits on her and sleeps whereas we are more often out or at least playing more actively and he will manage better without a nap. He had a 2 hr nap today with her which is really rare for him since being on one nap and was asleep by 8 when usually it is 830 if not 9 with any nap. Guess the combo of Nnd and naps are working.

[destina23]

barbaraz78 just wanted to say thank you for your advice!  was working great with at least 630 wakeups!  we just moved so that threw everything a bit crazy with lots of OT'd days/nights and naps.  hoping to get back on track by next week and get rid of the 530/6 wakings again.  )

[barbaraz78]

Happy my advice was useful!
I hope you get back on track soon...

[ZacsMumme]

Hey ladies! I've also posted about this on the spirited thread. But we are going to put Z in to a children's centre for a 3 hr session 1-2 times a week. We can't get him in the am only 1-4pm. I really think he will benefit from it, he needs this YK?

Typically we do 1 NND a week in the weekend. DH likes this time with Z so wants to keep that even though I was thinking on Monday for his session :-/ so that said if I was to do 2 NND would I be best to space em out ie
NND sat or sun NND wed (session)
Or closer together ie NND sat and mon

[Mama_Mia]

I would space them out as far as possible to give him plenty of time to catch up on sleep if he gets ot. If M gets OT at all, it usually takes 2-3 days for him to get over it, but he also wont nap anymore.

[ZacsMumme]

Ugh so I have to do a min of 2 days. I was thinking mon and thurs? And not doing the NND on the weekend.

[Hedgehog17]

Hmmm that's a tough one Sara...

With nursery / daycare it's also good to consider settling in, eg will he settle better if he goes 2 consecutive days or will he be ok with a break between days? I've always had DS do consecutive days as I think he'd be more unsettled with a break in between. That said he's usually knackered after both mornings he does at nursery!

Sorry to complicate things 

[barbaraz78]

I've always had DS do consecutive days as I think he'd be more unsettled with a break in between.

I found that this was more important when DS was younger. Now, he has enough memory to remember what happened two or three days before, and if he enjoyed it. That said, he's in full day daycare/preschool since he was 1 yo, so he he used to be left with teachers.

That said he's usually knackered after both mornings he does at nursery!

This is something to take into account. I believe that the only reason for which DS still naps is that he is at preschool, and he is very stimulated there, so he is more tired than he would have been at home. So yes, it is more tiring.
I would better try to space the days of daycare, to keep them not consecutive and allowing a catchup with a long nap the day in between.

[Mama_Mia]

I would go with Mon and Thursday, or if that didnt work Mon and Wednesday but I think a 2 day break is better. It would make it easier to be sure he is well rested before going again. And as long as he enjoys it I dont think you'll have any problem with him settling in to the routine.

[clairebear79]

Agree from a nap perspective I'd prob space the sessions out, giving him at least 1 day between, however do keep in mind the nap won't last forever & if it suits your long term plans to have the sessions closer together then do it. He might be a bit tired with 2x NND in a row but he'd soon get used to it & you'd prob benefit from super long nights or lots of naps for the rest of the week.

We've only ever sent O 1 day/week & tbh he's really struggled with settling in & still cries at drop off (& currently most of the morning too  ) & in some ways I wish we'd done 2x consecutive days as I reckon he'd have settled much better.

 If Z copes ok with strangers & separation am sure he'll do fine no matter how u structure it.xx

[clairebear79]

Oh & forgot to add we've pretty much dropped the nap now at almost 2y 10 months. He still sleeps at MIL's the day after he's been to nursery, but any nap at home (even just an hour) is leading to less than 10hrs at night. He screams & cries if I try to put him down for a nap so I've just given up! So only naps he has are if he zonks in the car(rare) or on the sofa (never)!