Support for dropping the nap part 9.

[Truly Blessed]

Following on from:

Support for dropping the nap part 8....


Dear Ladies, I am starting this new thread as we're at 31 pages now.

I want to let you all know that today is my last day as Toddler Sleep Moderator. I am starting a new job so my time won't be mine for a while. I want to thank all of your wonderful Ladies for all of your love and support that you have given not only each other but me too. I honestly don't know where we would be without you. Please keep on giving that support. I will be around when I can as soon as I can, so see you soon.

My Love and Thanks 

Vicki.x.

[Truly Blessed]

By the way Sam is doing well and sleeping 13 hour nights still, and it seems he is getting used to an 11 hour day 

x.

[barbaraz78]

Vicki, congrats for the new job!!! I'm sure we all miss you as moderator. Your support was invaluable!

F had a nn yesterday, the first day I wanted to avoid a nap. He slept 8.20 pm- 8 am, when we woke him up as we had to go to work. Today I know he napped at daycare, but for now he was very fine. Let's see how tonight goes (we are also having nw).

[TB9]

We will miss you Vicki!  Congrats on the new job

Got DD in bed after 10.5hr day yesterday, she slept just over 12hrs, so now she's putting up a fuss for nap time   I'm sure she won't nap, and I will likely have to push her day closer to 11hrs so she isn't in bed too early!

[Mama_Mia]

Congrats on the new job Vicki!

M slept from 6pm-6:30am so only 12.5 hours instead of 13 but he did finally nap today. Yeah! I'm debating sticking with an ebt tonight to be sure he is over being ot, but not sure if that will make his night worse. Normally I would do bt at 7 since he napped, so maybe I should play it safe and do bt at 6:15 hoping for sleep at 6:30-6:45

[badpixie]

Congrats on the new job Vicki! Hope to still see you in here from time to time

I think we're hitting the 1-0. We got nap refusal, bed time refusal, if he naps longer than 1hr 20 we get loads of NW, if he wakes up later than 1.30 we're on our way to a 9pm bedtime, but he's still waking up at 6ish am, so I suspect OT is creeping in. But once he's asleep he's impossible to wake up, so all of the above keeps happening! I'm feeling pretty frazzled about it all! He's not even 2 yet! I'm I getting it all wrong?

[cath~]

congratulations for your new job Vicki!  We will miss you hear - I hope you still pop by!

L is doing well at the moment on a 15 min nap, a couple of NN days/week (on average) and 11.5-12 hour nights (occasionally longer).

We usually get a couple of call-backs at BT as she settles but usually only in the first 5-10 mins, then she sorts herself out, singing or chatting as she nods off.

She's just finished teething her last molar too, which is great!   No more crying out in pain during the night (touch wood!).

Our current 'challenge' is quietening her 'quiet time' on days she doesn't nap.  This is a gradual process.  It seems that even in her cot she can still be very energetic if we are not with her to read her a story, for example!

[Truly Blessed]

M slept from 6pm-6:30am so only 12.5 hours instead of 13 but he did finally nap today. Yeah! I'm debating sticking with an ebt tonight to be sure he is over being ot, but not sure if that will make his night worse. Normally I would do bt at 7 since he napped, so maybe I should play it safe and do bt at 6:15 hoping for sleep at 6:30-6:45

Hurrah for the nap Mama C, did you go with the happy medium BT 

I think we're hitting the 1-0. We got nap refusal, bed time refusal, if he naps longer than 1hr 20 we get loads of NW, if he wakes up later than 1.30 we're on our way to a 9pm bedtime, but he's still waking up at 6ish am, so I suspect OT is creeping in. But once he's asleep he's impossible to wake up, so all of the above keeps happening! I'm feeling pretty frazzled about it all! He's not even 2 yet! I'm I getting it all wrong?

(Hugs) Hayley, no you're not getting all wrong Hun, often with the 1-0 especially when it all kicks off, no matter what you do it backfires. Things do however come and go in stages, so I'm sure it will all change again soon.  I should think at his age you will get more naps out of him, and in the meantime can you enforce quiet time  Other than that the only thing you can do if he refuses his nap is go with a short 10.5 hour day and pray to God he tacks on.

Cath, thank goodness M is doing okay, she seems to be the only one at the moment!  Sam is cutting his last molar at the moment, it's taking forever to come through.


We are in deep trouble right now too. It's 2 weeks today since Sam napped. WU's started to creep forward so I had to push him to an 11 hour day otherwise even with a decent tack his next WU would have been far too early. This has brought us to our WU this morning of 4.50 am with no resettle. He only had 11 hours 35 last night. This is exactly the same way it went months ago except at the time we were dealing with super late BT's and this time it's nap refusal. He is at nursery this morning so he will be shattered. I am praying he will crash out for a nap today, but best will in the world it will be at 1pm so 7.5 hours after wake up. Yesterday I gave him every opportunity to nap, twice in the car and he was also cosy in his pushchair but nope. It seems those days have gone  . It seems he's still not ready. If he keeps refusing a nap, I wonder if I should set BT and just carry on pushing him through  What else can I do if he is waking at stupid o clock  .

I am away from tomorrow night for training and leaving him with DH and Mam for 4 nights. I am already super stressed about that, so the last thing I need is him in a 1-0 melt down when I leave.

Help! 

x.

PS. Thanks so much for all the nice messages 

[barbaraz78]

Vicki, so sorry for that rough time just before your leaving
I would attempt a nap, either at 1 pm or, if he doesn't take it, later in the day. Even at 3 pm... It can ruin bt, but if he is more rested hopefully the night after he sleeps better. And if he's ot, it could well be that a time before bt shorten too.
If he doesn't take it, I would go with set bt. You can't put him to bed at 3.30 for the night, or no??

[cath~]

Hugs Vicki
Iiwm, since he must be so tired I might be tempted to try for an early car nap. When L was younger she'd sometimes nod off in the car in the morning just cos more relaxed then than in the afternoon iyswim. Do you have an errand to run this morning that could give him an opportunity to nap in the car?  I know it's prob a (very) long shot but might be worth a try? Then you could still perhaps do EBT but not crazily early!
You got through this once though and I know you'll get through it again. I know it might be bad timing but on the other hand he might surprise you and get all caught up on his sleep while you're away!

[Truly Blessed]

I would attempt a nap, either at 1 pm or, if he doesn't take it, later in the day. Even at 3 pm... It can ruin bt, but if he is more rested hopefully the night after he sleeps better. And if he's ot, it could well be that a time before bt shorten too.

Thank you, this is my plan Barbara. I have decided whatever time I can get him to nap I will go with it. Like you say, even if it is a 3 pm nap I could wake him at 3.45 and probably still achieve 7.30/8.00 BT. Yes it will be a long day, but there is nothing I can do about that. At least it will push tomorrow's WU later to start afresh. Long term if he keeps refusing, I have no idea what will happen. Last time he did 3 weeks before the OT melt down but he did have 3 or 4 naps on the sofa of his own accord, so that helped to shift WU every now and then.

Iiwm, since he must be so tired I might be tempted to try for an early car nap. When L was younger she'd sometimes nod off in the car in the morning just cos more relaxed then than in the afternoon iyswim.

Thanks Cath. He is at nursery this morning and as he is always anxious on the way there, unfortunately this wouldn't be possible, but it has also worked for us in the past, so it is a good idea, if the day had been different.

When WU is so early, a late nap is the same time as a 10.5 hour day! Because that would be 3.20    Only thing is if he has a late nap he is going to be extremely hard to wake up, and very unhappy to boot. I have told nursery if there is any way they can get him to nap this morning it would be fantastic, but as he has never napped at nursery (he only does 2 mornings) it is highly unlikely. They do bend over backwards for the LO's there though, they're so amazing  .

I know it might be bad timing but on the other hand he might surprise you and get all caught up on his sleep while you're away!

LOL, optimism reigns supreme! 

Thanks so much for the support as always.

x.

[cath~]

FX the nursery staff can work some magic for you! X

[barbaraz78]

FX the nursery staff can work some magic for you! X

This!

[clairebear79]

Hugs Vicki, major ugh to the EW. I suppose if he is point blank refusing to nap now, a set bedtime (give or take 30mins) may be what is needed to regulate things. At least then you dont get caught in that spiral of everything shifting earlier & earlier, there will have to be a limit to how early he'll wake with a 6.30 or 7pm bt, even if he is a bit ot, right?  Fx'd u manage to get a nap today tho. & i know easier said than done but try not to worry about what will happen while u r away, he will be just fine.

Oliver had his earliest wake in aaages this morning, up at 6.15am. He's already laying on me, clearly tired & its still 45mins til naptime. I'm pretty certain the earlier mornings are as a result of going in the bbb, maybe hes waking up a bit cold or something. We've had mostly 9am for the last 2 months & its suddenly 6.30-7am & nothing else has changed nor does he seem to be having any sort of developmental leap. Its such a big shift, 2-2.5hrs earlier, so suddenly (day after going in bbb & ever since) i cant put it down to anything else. Anyhow its going exactly as i predicted - because of the earlier wake he needs a nap, but a nap means a later bedtime (8pm) & a slightly shorter night, & the more days in a row he naps, the earlier his wake up is getting. We need to get back to that balance of nap & no nap days, but i dont know how on earth to do it without the later wakeup time we were getting before. That made it so easy to keep to 10-10.5hr days & still keep a 7pm bedtime, now i dont see how we can do it unless we start doing 5.30 or 6pm bedtimes & there's no way i want to do that again, as its just not possible on the days i work. Pfffff.

[cath~]

Claire - I can't remember if you have  a gro clock (or similar)?  Do you think that could help get past this EW phase and get him to sleep in longer again?  they really are amazing things...