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3.5 year old schedule help!
« on: February 06, 2013, 05:52:23 am »
I need help with a few things before I book myself a flight to a far off island to get away from my 3.5 year old! Here are the things I am having problems with. My DS does not wake at a consistent time in the AM. I recently bought an "OK to wake" clock that turns green when he's allowed to get up. However, I can't seem to get him to comply. He wakes up and yells/cries until I come in, in the mean time waking his 15 month old sister. He naps on most days depending on when he woke in the AM. The days he doesn't nap I have him take a quiet time, but that NEVER goes well. He throws toys, slams his door, yells & cries. It's quite lovely. If he naps, bedtime isn't achieved until well after 9:30pm. (We are a household that aims to have our kids in bed by 7-7:30. To sum it up;

-what should sleep amounts look like for a 3.5 year old?
-Is it too late to teach him to wake up happy?
-How can I instill a consistent wake time?
-How do I instill a enjoyable quiet time?

I'm not sure if these are discipline issues, power struggles, scheduling issues, personality traits etc. I'll take any advice from moms who have experience & wisdom to share!

Thank you!

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Re: 3.5 year old schedule help!
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 06:48:48 am »
I'm not sure if these are discipline issues, power struggles, scheduling issues, personality traits etc. I'll take any advice from moms who have experience & wisdom to share!

I'd go with the scheduling & the personality & if you are both wanting different things & you want him to comply with your needs without having worked out what his are first & taking them into account then  then it would be power struggles too (power struggles tend to need the parent to have by in too) ... as far as being a discipline issue that really depends on how you see it, but IMHO without you  understanding his needs & his body clock then he has no chance of working it out himself & not matter if you "punish" him I doubt it will improve. I'm thinking with him getting upset & throwing things with TO he is a child who (like my DS1) needs to understand every step of the way & needs to have some form of involvement in what is happening.

By 3.5yo my youngest had given up naps, but my eldest hadn't, that said he had shorter nights (8.30 to 6.30)  because that suited our family esp as DS2 was low sleep needs & still needed a nap but was only doing 10hour nights.

From memory a "textbook" child would sleep around the 12hour mark (in 24hours) at 3yo & it gets about 15mins less every 6months from then on - for a textbook.., for a low sleep needs like my DS2 it would have been about 11hours in 24hours at 3.5yo.

So if you want him in bed at 7.30pm & he say naps for an hour, then wake up would be around 6.15am if he is textbook... earlier if low sleep needs & a bit later if high sleep needs.

As far as enjoyable quite time, a friend of mine started hers by doing 10mins the first few days & building up by 5 mins every few days, so her DD got used to it.

As far as wake up, well that depends on total sleep needs & bedtime & naps.

As far as waking up happy, I think that could be temperament.

First I'd look at what his total sleep needs in 24hour are (add night time plus naps) & then work out what you want his wake up & bedtime to be in an "ideal" world & if you want it say 7-7 then you will likely need to cut out a nap totally unless he is low sleep needs, but the inconsistent wake up makes me think he is more likely on the average to low end, rather than high end.. If you could accept say 7.30 -6.30 then you could have maybe have a 40-60min nap, but even that could mess up bedtime.  Another thing I read about was that the "activity" hours from 6am-12 noon impact the sleep from midnight to 6am & the activity from noon to 6pm impact the 6pm - midnight sleep, so having a busy morning can help sleeping in... which kind of works around here as my boys have a heavy sports schedule on a Saturday  morning  & Sunday's are busy too & Monday's & Tuesdays are the days they are most likely to sleep in.
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Re: 3.5 year old schedule help!
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 16:24:18 pm »
Hi Katet,

I was reading your reply and was wondering if you could elaborate more on what you read about the 6am - 12 A time impacting the midnight to 6am sleep and the 12 pm to 6 pm A time impacting the 6pm to midnight sleep? This sounds very interesting to me and what we are currently dealing with my 37 month old and his wonky sleep right now.

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 20:54:49 pm »
I heard it a long time ago, but the recomendation was that if you wanted your child to sleep past 6am then you needed them to be more active (menatlly & physically) in the am period to get the am sleep. Can't say it ever really worked that well when my children were younger as they (DS2 esp) have always been early risers... I just taught them to 'read' in bed until they heard Daddy get up to get ready for work, because basically DS2 is a 5amish wake up child no matter what. 
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Re: 3.5 year old schedule help!
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 05:13:03 am »
Thank you for the input! I will definitely work on making sure our mornings are physically & mentally active. We have preschool on Tues/Thurs mornings, and I'll have to plan out our other mornings to make sure they're active. We live in a very rainy area so there's not much outdoor activity unfortunately.

That's a really good point about wanting him to conform to my needs while not figuring out his! I didn't even realize I was doing that. I feel so ignorant as to what his needs are and overwhelmed that I tried everything I knew and nothing was working. My 15 month old DD has not been sleeping through the night for the past few months for various health reasons and I've noticed it taking quite a toll on my stamina with my kids.

I created a sleep calendar so I can chart DS's sleep to discover what his patterns are to determine the amount of sleep he needs. I'll also be doing the graduated Quiet Time as your friend tried. Thank you for the encouragement! I'll keep you posted.