I think 2-1 is here

[Charjanemom]

Ok thanks.

Today was
W 6 out of crib 630
Nap 1115-150 happy quiet wake
Planning bedtime for 7. I don't find that putting herdown earlier than 7 helps us. Normal bt is 730

[Charjanemom]

Ok I'm seriously wanting pull my hair out. She is up at 520 ish babbling. What the heck?? I thought forsure she might have an ot NW as her a times her big yesterday. Maybe these ew are ot even though they are happy? Ugh I don't know what to do. I know I can't have instant results but this has been going on for weeks now and I just can't seem to get things right for her to not ew. We get a good night and I can repeat the same routine and the next day she is up early. Did I jump to 1 nap too soon? What do I do? I'm tempted to go in and rock her to a decent wu time. Hmmm

[Charjanemom]

Ok I went 20 mins after she woke to try to stop the party and rock her she just would babble and yawn I think she might have fallen asleep for 2 mins so at 630 I decided to call it quits. She has been hysterical for 20 mins. I don't know what to do. I guess go back to 2 naps. I just can't stand this. Our wake ups used to be consistant and now it's a over the map. Can these ew be ot? She is 90 percent of the time super happy and easier teether. I'm so confused. Should I jump onto NW or naps board or stay here?

[katie80]

(((Hugs)))

Today was
W 6 out of crib 630
Nap 1115-150 happy quiet wake
Planning bedtime for 7. I don't find that putting herdown earlier than 7 helps us. Normal bt is 730

I do think EBTs are different during transitions like this, so it may be worth trying again.  I wouldn't have gone later than 6:30 on a day like this.  It's possible some of those EWs are OT.

We get a good night and I can repeat the same routine and the next day she is up early. Did I jump to 1 nap too soon? What do I do?

As hard as it is, remember that it's almost impossible to get really good consistency right away during any transition.  Her body is adjusting, as Ali said, so it's not that you did or didn't do the exact same thing, it's that it takes some time for her to get used to it.  She did really well with that one nap, but she might not be ready to do it every day in a row yet.  It can take some time.

[Charjanemom]

Thanks for the hugs. I'm just feeling really down
These ew are so annoying.

I put her down at 1030ish. Couldn't do any later so it will have to be a 2 nap day.

My dh said he heard dd cough at 5 then let out a cry right before the babbling so maybe had the cough not happened she wouldn't have ew.

Should I try to stick as close to 11 as possible for a nap no matter wu?

If she naps 2hrs I will wake her cuz it will still make bt too far away. If we do a 15 min nap how much a ? 2 hrs After to bt?

[katie80]

Should I try to stick as close to 11 as possible for a nap no matter wu?

It depends on how she is.  I think 10:30 is just fine to make a 2 nap day.

If she naps 2hrs I will wake her cuz it will still make bt too far away. If we do a 15 min nap how much a ? 2 hrs After to bt?

Yeah, on a 15-20min CN, I'd do about 2hr.

Hang in there hon... you'll get there!

[Charjanemom]

1 hr 20 min nap. Ugh! I think we have teething or major ot. She woke crying which is rare for the am nap. I can't believe it to be ut as she has been up since 530. Also not wanting to eat her solids. Oh well tomorrow is a new day!

[Charjanemom]

Ok how do figure out if these ew are ot or ut?
Yesterday was
W 525 in crib till 545 then I tried to ap her but wouldn't fall back asleep
S 1040-12
S 4-430
B 710
W 523 in her crib and has gone quiet a few times

We are just so puzzled and its been almost a month of this on and off. Could one of you post an easy that I could try for the next few days. I feel like we try something and we get 1 long night then it all goes to crap again.

[katie80]

I'd say OT from what you've posted the last couple days.  I don't know that there's proof of this, but I tend to think NW/EW can happen at the same times during the sleep cycle and you have to take into account the routine and type of waking to try to figure out OT or UT.  Her waking is happy, but you say she's always pretty happy.  From the routine, I'd say OT.  That was almost a 14hr day yesterday on just under 2hr day sleep.  Both of mine would've had a short night from that.

As for routine, I think what you're doing is right, just on a day when she wakes so early, I wouldn't push her as far.  Yesterday, she did a 5+hr A time before the first nap.  If she's up that early, I'd let her nap at 10am still and then do your CN, but I wouldn't let BT go past 7pm.

[Charjanemom]

Ok reading this it makes total sense. She did end up going back to sleep and wu was 705 after on and off babbles till 620ish. My dh said she cried out but ss at 9pm last night when I was in the bath so likely ot is def in the cards. I guess I kept thinking cuz it is happy ew that its ut but I think what u r saying makes sense. We had 1.5 hr nap with a couple ss. Teething right now too
I think keep making the mistake to get to bt and are scared of Ebt but lesson learned.

[katie80]

EBT can be a little daunting, esp when you already have an EWer, but it does often help get through these transitions. And, I always think it's helpful to look at the day as a whole too.  If it continually gets too long, the OT kind of just builds.

Hope the teeth come through quick for you!

[Charjanemom]

So yesterday she was up at 445 babbling away then 15 mins later hysteric crying. I gave meds and she slept till 645. I find it strange that if teething is causing some of these ew that she doesn't cry. Anyways here was our day
W 645
S 1105-105
S 440-5
B 7

I heard her at 5ish moving around. She seemed restless but slept till 645(545 without clock change)

So does it seem ok to do a 15-20 min catnap then 2 hrs to bed? If her am
Nap was longer we could have done Ebt. I find that even a few hours after her big morning nap she is fussy. I'm not sure if its her being tired or its teething or what.

Just wondering if there are certain 1 nap guidelines about ot or ut naps as I am assuming that it changes when u move to 1 nap

[*Ali*]

I think that is fine. I'd stick with what you are doing and give a short CN if her earlier nap isn't long enough to make it to bed. When she can manage a longer A time she will be OK without it but the CN is a good bridge until she gets there.

I think sometimes the teeth may just be uncomfortable, not enough to make her cry but enough to stop her dropping off again.

[Charjanemom]

Yesterday we did
Ew 645-650
W 715
S 1120-130
B 650 was meant to be 630 but he had an issue with hot water tank and dh had to figure out what was wrong otherwise it would have been a cold path

So we had a 145am NW at first I thought she might ss but then she started really crying. Gave meds and was going to sit with her till they kicked in. She was crazy !! Babbling bouncing trying to climb my chest. I figure ot but I don't know?!? I put her down she screamed I tried bringing her in bed with me which I only do on a bad teething night or super ew. She just would fall asleepthen 2 mins later sit up again!! Never see anything like it. I finally after 1.5 hrs of this put her down in her crib to go see if a small bottle would help her settle and came back up and she fellasleep while I was doing that. So my question is this....is it possible to get a long ot nap? She usually wakes from her morning nap happy but yesterday she woke screaming and 2 hrs later she seemed really tired. My dh and I said we were stick to this to Friday to see if we got rid of the ew but not good if ot is here. What can I do now? We rarely get NW!! If they are teething it's normally back to sleep in 30 mins and more upset then acting like a nut!

[*Ali*]

Yes I'm sure it was OT but sometimes things can't be helped. Her body will adjust so it won't always be like this.