10 month old NW & EW

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Hello I think we are in trouble 
She was sick - pretty bad - coughing and could not breath so she was waking up more often. We would put her in our bed - I could put our bed - actually head part in higher position than her mattress in the crib . so it did work. Regarding her EASY it looked like that till Friday:
1st A: 4 hr
S 30 min (I cap)
A 2.5 hr (did APOP to sleep)
S 1.20 - 2.10 hr
A approx 3 hr
day was max 12.5 hr.
Problem was pm nap - she could not sleep more than 1.30 hr in most of cases - just twice was 2 hr. I was thinking it was also because of the problems with breathing. In addition each night she would be awake around 45 min -1 hr and finally asleep. I was worried and afraid of OT so last Thursday I put her in Baby Bjorn for pm nap thinking she will sleep at least two hours - no way - her max was 1 hr. Night after that was ok, day also ok including pm nap 2 hrs and I was happy. But from Friday to Saturday night from the hell - 3 hr of screaming and crying - no teeth, no pain. She would calm down only when we would carry her and walk. When I tried to put her in the cradle position for rocking to sleep she was freaking out. I have never seen such a behaviour. Saturday I let her sleep in the morning and it looked like her old scenario, slept 2 hr, pm nap I cut 50 min, fight against BT but nothing to bad. Night - woke up crying I fed and one hour of walking rocking to make her sleep. When she fell asleep, she sleeps restless, kicking legs, it does not look like a sleep... Yesterday her EASY looked like described above (with short am nap). We did mess up and her 2nd A time was 3.10 hr (we could not make it to come back home before) but she slept 2.10 hr. This night, she slept well till feeding at 00.30 am and after that - again 45 min of rocking and walking - she is sleepy but fight against sleep - screaming... now she is awake from 4.30 am. Difference is - there is no way you could put her in the crib or in bed - she is freaking out  kicking legs - doesn't want sit, lay down, anything... she does not sleep even with APOP - becomes very nervous in carrier, rocking works after century - my hands are in pain, I was also sick and I am physically exhausted  . Dh too, he would hold her and trying to put her in bed with us and it would work after century 

Her behaviour is very challenging during the day last whole week - I put the blame on her disease but now she is fine and behaviour did not change. I checked mental leaps and yes she is in 46 week and she does behave as they described even worse - God help us...

Now question - I am not sure am I doing ok with her EASY? Is there anything else I could do for sleeping? I am afraid of OT and that I will not be able to move her from our bed but when she wakes and freaks out she just wants to be close (I just went to living room - it was silent - DH put her on sofa and she sleeps with him - after 1.15 hr of APOP), holding us with hands... Sorry for messy post but I am nicely said dead 

Now I could see that long NW were blessing because she was playing alone and this - rocking for hours - disaster   
Thank you

[becj86]

Remind me what was happening with the morning nap capped at 45min? I wonder if she's a little OT for that PM nap - maybe let her sleep a little longer or shorten the middle A time by 10-15min and see what happens.

Big hugs, honey xx you have stuck through some tough times

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Thank you Bec

I made morning nap shorter to decrease the A time between naps and bring BT earlier.   Now BT is predictable A time between naps predictable just nights are bad  . Comparison of A time between naps - when I want her to sleep after 2.5 hr I need rocking lets say so 10-15 minutes and she fights against sleeping. Today grandfather was here so she fell asleep after 2.43 hr - it took me less then 5 minutes to make her sleep. Isn't that the right sign of A time?

 I could try to shorten A time I am just worried that it will take long rocking... Since she does not have breathing problems anymore I am curious will she nap 2 hr today (pray to God). Do you think that even 2 hr is too short for pm nap?

What I noticed yesterday - she woke up after 2.03 hr and everything was fine but pretty fast she was in bad mood and tired. However she fell a sleep after filling her quote of 3.09 hr A time before bed 

edit: pm nap was 1.50 hr

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Yesterday EASY - A 4 hr, S 30 min A 2.43 hr, S 1.50 BT it took her 50 minutes to finally fall asleep. She could not fall a sleep despite rocking, holding my hand, .... so last A time was almost 4 hr

another bad night  waking up crying, tired, could not sleep. 11.50 pm, rocking and jiggling around 30 min (I do not look at the watch anymore do not have a strength), WU 1.00 am - I fed, rocking I do not know, half an hour, pass her to DH, she was awake, tired, they fell asleep at certain time point but he said she was so restless with legs (like she does crunches), head... WU 5.50 am

What I noticed when I pass her to DH she is freaking out wanting to go back to me but when I  leave the room she calms down faster in his hands than in mine  She will be awake but lay down next to him, while in my case she will cry could not calm down  SA?

Today I will extend am nap to 45 min I really do not know what to do 

[becj86]

Comparison of A time between naps - when I want her to sleep after 2.5 hr I need rocking lets say so 10-15 minutes and she fights against sleeping. Today grandfather was here so she fell asleep after 2.43 hr - it took me less then 5 minutes to make her sleep. Isn't that the right sign of A time?

Fair call. Length of nap is relevant too, but if you've got that variation in settling, that's also got to go into the mix.

SA would be a good possibility.

How mobile is she? DS used have very restless legs (and everything else) if he hadn't done enough physical activity in a day and it would wake him and keep him awake.

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Thank you Bec.
I know just there are rarely cases she would sleep
She is pretty mobile - crawling like a crazy  , standing and make maybe one or two steps, most of the day on the floor. It is hard to put her to sit for feeding so I would not say that would be the problem.

Today I let her to sleep 45 min, A 3 hr, S 2.30 hr  , A 3 hr (it took her 30 min to fall asleep with my help)  BT after 13.5 hr we will see how the night will look like: I just came back - one waking after 1 hr, gave her paci, pick for short and return her back....

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Update - she woke up at 2 am - I fed - fell asleep within 10 minutes and then something would wake her... she could not sleep and was restless but not hysteric and I did not do rocking. I gave her my hand in the crib and path her and apply all methods - you could see she was trying but could not. After 1 hour I put her in bed with me and it took her another half an hour and finally she was sleeping - restless, sometimes small crying in the dream but we made it till 7.10 am today  . 

[becj86]

Are you sure there's no pain? This struggling to sleep when she clearly wants to sleep usually goes with pain or chronic OT and sometimes developmental leaps - its not usually something that only disappears for a week or two here and there, yk?

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Thank you Bec. I am not sure what it is exactly but if there is a pain then only could be teething - yesterday during pm nap which was short there was a huge wet spot from drawling. I think that could be mixture of that, mental leap and definitely OT. Yesterday her pm nap was only 1 hr and this night is disaster. After feeding at 00.30 am her sleeping became bad, restless, she could not sleep in the crib, I put her in my bed and that sleeping was torchering till 3.30 am and since then she is completely awake. Rocking already 2 hr and she does not sleep but also hysterical when I put her in the crib, very tired, just crying.

Do not take me wrong and I do not want to look ungrateful but I started to think that cutting am nap is maybe not our solution because in the last two weeks she could not get longer pm nap except I think 3 or 4 times. When she did get them longer nights were not great but heaven in comparison with the rest of them IYKWIM? In addition I do not know did I create bunch of props with zero results (they do not work anymore...) and things are getting even worse  cosleeping, jiggling, rocking, walking, bouncing on the ball longer and longer and result no sleep or very poor sleep for her for me nothing.

Our EASY yesterday after am nap of 45 min, A 3 hr (rocking from 2.40 hr she is like a clock), pm nap only 1 hr with rocking and trying to extend 1.15 hr, wasn't in the good mood. A time again 3 hr (rocking from 2 hr aiming early BT).
What is good from cutting am nap is that she does not fight so badly against naps and BT, A time more predictable and at BT she is not so hyper  but nights are hell.     

I really do not know what to do? Let her sleep tomorrow as much as she wants am and pm nap even she would have too late BT I really do not know 
Sorry for complaining but I am completely stuck 

[becj86]

How would you feel about one nap as long as she'll take and a really early bedtime? It might help her to have a super long night... just to get over some of the OT. I guess that only helps if she sleeps at night though :-/

I think we talked some time ago about reflux but you can't get any meds unless she fails to thrive... I presume you're doing all the natural anti-reflux things just in case? Reflux, food intolerances and other chronic medical conditions are the only things I've come across that result in such prolonged poor sleep.

Big hugs xx

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Thank you Bec.
Sorry for not responding yesterday but the night was bad and I had lots of work... So yesterday she had two naps: am  1.46 hr, pm 1.30 hr, slept well and peaceful, ate at midnight, went back to sleep very fast (that was the progress!)and from 3 am-5 am - party - same scenario. Only when I am walking and holding her she is absolutely fine looking around, even ready to be awake (she is tired that is out of the question), but cradle position, laying her down in my bed or crib - God pure hysteria. When I pass her to DH - even worse hysteria she wants back to me, kicking with legs (it looks like tantrum behaviour  ). After two hours I ended up putting her in my bed having my hand on her and cuddle her while she was crying  I was desperate thinking she will not sleep but she fell asleep within ten minutes  She did kick me with legs ...
I was thinking about all possible pain causes but simply I can not see them. She did burp yesterday once when I picked her up but previous night nothing... I did call my paed today and talked to her - she said - since she is in very good mood during the day. if that would be pain it would not stop it would be constant    She thinks I am a prop (of course she said I could come she can check on) - maybe she is right  . Today am nap 1.30 hr. Pm nap - I let her in the crib without bunch of rocking and I got the same behaviour like in the night - I was stuck  maybe I was blind? So I did not pick her up I was there all the time holding her cuddling kissing and she was hysterically crying then stop and the again. It took  her  50 minutes (it looked similar like in the night)- God that was stressful  - I have never done that with her and I have guilty feeling . She finally fell asleep . Since it was already late I woke her up after 35 min-
BT - I did the same just spend more time with her and she fell asleep holding me for the hand without crying. When I compare this two cases - I think she was overtired for pm nap or it was too short wind down time ... she was refusing to sleep (but she was very tired) or wanted rocking I do not know -  she did not have any pain

I will see how this night will go. I am feeling bad to make wrong judgement if she is in pain but from the other side this behaviour afternoon was so similar to these from night and she was not in pain at all for that I am sure ..
I have read everything here about SA and how to put them in the crib so hopefully I am right. If you think I am wrong just shout please 

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We've looked at reflux,right? timing and behaviour suggest pain when flat. what about an ear infection pr fluid in the ear ??

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Yes, regarding reflux - her mattress is elevated (till two days ago it was even higher because of her stuffed nose), I do burp her. I was thinking since spring is here that maybe it is activated again (like all stomach things activates in the spring...). I could not see any signs from the past, as I said she did burp night before last night but no gases, no typical swallowing with the sound. Previous nights nothing what I could recognize.

I did call paed because of the ear - Paed is so self confident  that she would show some signs or something during the day or she would be in pain constantly  when she is crying in the night (both positions) Our paed is not very sympathetic person  and I am not thrilled with her attitude but everybody says she is very good (that does not mean she could not make mistake). If this will continue I will definitely go on Monday. Now when I am thinking - last two days her cheeks would be pretty red and have small rash - but it would go away within few hours - I could not connect that with food , maybe because we were outside (sun?) but in the shadow 

The fact that she does calm down when she is in upright position is what is kicking me in the eye but from the other side I need to walk,. Sitting and holding her in the upright position does not work and also when I give her to my husband nothing works IYKWIM? Or when she accepts him then he could put her in laying position without any scream 

Last night was pretty ok - she woke up 1.20 am I fed, it took her 15 min to go back to sleep, then she woke up after 35 min - I picked her up, walk little bit, she did burp and went back to sleep and slept till 5.30 am and her diaper was pooped.   She is in very good mood.

Sorry I am constantly writing novels and repeating some things .... 

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Update - we returned back to two naps and her nights are improving and regular EW is back. Definitely built up OT was one of the problems. Last two nights no signs of screaming or long hysteric wakings so I really really hope that last week was the consequence of her OT from cold and short pm nap. I will keep an eye on her ear and reflux, thank you very much Bec, I appreciate it. In the case it will happen again I will take her to paed. Now I need to work now on 2-1 transition - I am exploring and reading nap board  .