Author Topic: Help with foods for MSPI baby (Read 7564 times)

ZacsMumme · « **on:** April 03, 2013, 01:29:32 am »

Feel free to move to FSF if its better there.

T is a big eater. It is helping his reflux immensely and I think he's been a hungry boy

Problem is - rice cerial has given him terrible constipation. He can't have any milk, soy, gluten/wheat...

He has a good range of veges and limited fruit (have to avoid citrus and bananas)
I just don't know what to try next to fill him up...he's hungry YK? - meat?
Can I try him on a milk alt in cooking like rice milk? His formula is repulsive.

Here is what he has.
Pumpkin
Sweet potato
Carrots
Prunes
Pear
Courgette/zucchini
Chicken broth
Just trying to mix in apple and peach with pear starting today.

He needs filling up though. He WANTs my toast every morning

what can I give him?

Skadiver13 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 03, 2013, 01:43:44 am »

Red pepper, squash, Pastina, boiled chicken, you can make pancakes no egg, or milk needed.

Jenn+Ethan+Emily · « **Reply #2 on:** April 03, 2013, 01:50:03 am »

Avocado! Good fats to help full him up

ENMS · « **Reply #3 on:** April 03, 2013, 01:50:33 am »

Grrr I had a post written up but lost it

I was saying I think meat should be more than fine - it is easier to digest than some fruits and veggies which require extensive action from enzymes.

http://wholesomebabyfood.momtastic.com/MeatRecipes.htm

How about avocado?

Have you tried alternative grains / seeds? Like quinoa? It is unbelievably nutritious!

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #4 on:** April 03, 2013, 02:50:05 am »

Quote from: Jenn+Ethan+Emily on April 03, 2013, 01:50:03 am

Avocado! Good fats to help full him up

Oh yeah forgot to say avocado didn't agree with him

it was one of the first ones we tried! Ill try again in a month or so but it was only about 3 weeks ago I last tried. Same thing, didn't like it, then had sore gut

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #5 on:** April 03, 2013, 02:51:55 am »

Ohh red pepper...do you roast/grill it?
So with meats....chicken first you think? - or beef? Did you give your LOs fish ie salmon?

What do I so with quinoa ... Is it just a grain

I have to google it lol

ENMS · « **Reply #6 on:** April 03, 2013, 13:57:42 pm »

Quote from: ZacsMumme on April 03, 2013, 02:50:05 am

Oh yeah forgot to say avocado didn't agree with him

Yeah M is bad too, I don't understand why because it's technically supposed to be ok with his intolerances, but he gets diarrhea from avocado.

I would definitely go with chicken before beef. Here lots of people talk about bovine protein intolerance rather than MPI, so it includes anything bovine as well as the milk, so beef is a no-no. I would definitely wait until he is a little older. But lamb is apparently one of the easiest meats to digest, and less likely to cause any reaction at all. Chicken is also easy to digest.

Quinoa is lovely, I love it myself. Here you can buy it in flakes and make some porridge with it http://www.gogoquinoa.com/products/breakfast/quinoa-flakes-pre-cooked/ or you can just cook regular quinoa and put it in the blender to make it smooth.

Skadiver13 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 03, 2013, 14:50:08 pm »

Here is a neat article I read a bit ago.. With recipes for Quinoa. I love it. Don't make the mistake I did though. It's puffs up pretty good. I made 1/2 a box thinking it may not be enough, we ended up eating on it for a week it was way too much.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelysanders/ways-to-eat-quinoa-and-succeed-in-life

Also,
I get a full chicken and just boil it. Bring to a boil over medium heat, Then lower and Simmer the chicken until the chicken is done. A 3- to 4-pound broiler cooks in 60 to 75 minutes, while a 5- to 7-pound roaster takes 1 3/4 to 2 hours to cook thoroughly. The chicken will begin to separate from the bones when it is fully cooked. It just comes right off the bone. It stays super moist which I think is why Liam likes it as it's easy to gum and not dry at all.

Hedgehog17 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 03, 2013, 15:02:17 pm »

Have you tried him on fish yet?

Salmon is good as it's oily so the fats will help fill him up

My DS always preferred it over white fish!

Also agree with quinoa - it's a great food and they add it to baby food pouches here to make them more nutritious

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #9 on:** April 03, 2013, 18:20:34 pm »

Thank you!!!

Will hunt out quinoa, slow cook a chook and get some salmon

Skadiver - how did you do the peppers, finger food raw or do you roast them and take skin off?

Skadiver13 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 03, 2013, 19:09:49 pm »

I roast it or grill it then put it in a plastic bag for about 10min so the skin comes off. Sometiems I have to cut off the skin if that doesn't work right. Or I cut into pieces and I steam it till it's soft enough to eat.

Buntybear · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2013, 20:59:48 pm »

I would start with some meats now. Start with chicken but red meats are recommended from 6 months as they are high in iron. I always bought the best meat I could afford when weaning.

Are you on purees or BLW?

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #12 on:** April 03, 2013, 21:42:11 pm »

Purées up till now because we started at 4 mths and in Nz BlW is not rec till 6 mths.
But he is 6 months in 6 days

so...want a good shopping list and plan as I know he needs more, and he is craving a bit of Blw too I think.

So I'm hoping to do som BLW as well starting next week. In NZ we have very good lamb, but it is pricey. That said he doesn't need much

chicken is cheap, even free range/organic etc really. Beef is also cheep for good sirloin/porterhouse or scotch fillet steak.

You ladies rock. I'm really excited. Last week I was feeling sad about his food

Buntybear · « **Reply #13 on:** April 03, 2013, 22:17:45 pm »

Don't feel sad he is not yet 6 months even! Olly wasn't interested till then!

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #14 on:** April 03, 2013, 23:48:57 pm »

Oh I just mean I was feeling sad about what he couldn't/can't eat. Iykwim.
I forgot he is also having zucchini.

Anyone have ideas for homemade risks I could make him?

ENMS · « **Reply #15 on:** April 04, 2013, 00:06:25 am »

homemade risks?

ikwym about feeling sad. but it will get better

Skadiver13 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 04, 2013, 00:19:26 am »

Sara don't feel bad. Liam is almost 11 months wouldn't touch solids till 7 months, still only eats about 3oz a sitting of purees and while will put food in his mouth he wont swallow most of it. :/ Every little one is different. He's not even 6 months, he doesn't need a whole array of menus just basics is fine.

ENMS · « **Reply #17 on:** April 04, 2013, 01:08:24 am »

I agree with Siobhan. Up until last week M had 3-4 foods, and you know what, he was really happy with them! at their age, they don't notice if they don't have much variety. T already has lots of variety for his age

And now we have so many new possibilities. I feel like all the closed doors have just opened. He ate lasagna yesterday, and salmon with carrots today

. So I really mean it when I say not to get discouraged, there's always an end to the tunnel, and it sounds like for T it is rather soon since he's been doing so well with solids.

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2013, 01:20:39 am »

I meant rusks. For teething. Sorry iPad autocorrect kills me!
T just is so hungry! He cries whn I stop, he wants more and more and reaches for all my food. It's funny because Z wasn't interested much, and he could have anything. T is so keen, but I have to be so careful.

I just did some chicken. Steamed boneless and skinless thighs with fresh herbs and some water. Covered in tin foil in the oven. They are yummy!!!

Siobhan - T eats at least the equiv of a jar (120gm) each sitting and has 3 meals.

if I offer less he's hungry all night, I stop him from having more because then he won't have enough milk. I guess with so much going in I'm hoping with a bit more grain and protein he won't need as much.

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #19 on:** April 05, 2013, 04:03:39 am »

Hey ladies how were your LOs on potato? - worth trying or steer clear for a while? - does it constipate?

Buntybear · « **Reply #20 on:** April 05, 2013, 17:53:25 pm »

Don't think we did much with potato till later on as it makes purees go really gloopy

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #21 on:** April 05, 2013, 18:00:29 pm »

I was thinking of mashing and sieving it $:-\$ your right though it is gloopy ha!

Buntybear · « **Reply #22 on:** April 05, 2013, 19:05:39 pm »

Might as well give it a go!

How did he get on with the chicken? Do you get Annabel Karmel books?? They are great for ideas on what to make what foods to put together.

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #23 on:** April 05, 2013, 20:54:01 pm »

Haven't given it to him yet. I've had to make it into a purée/mash with pumpkin and pear and freeze because he is sick ATM so I don't want to do finger foods till he is well, or introduce new foods.

I used AK books with Z, maybe ill pop down to the library and get or out again thanks

Buntybear · « **Reply #24 on:** April 05, 2013, 21:06:59 pm »

Quote from: ZacsMumme on April 05, 2013, 20:54:01 pm

I don't want to do finger foods till he is well, or introduce new foods

Urgh, this is the worst part of having sensitive LOs. Invariabley as babies they could or have have picked up a bug and it just confuses matters. Bit easier when they are older and you know if they are sick or not.

creations · « **Reply #25 on:** April 05, 2013, 21:30:15 pm »

Chicken thigh and turkey thigh (the dark meat) is basically just as high in iron as red meat and tends to be the cheaper cuts. I agree boiled is great, always moist.

I started sweet peppers cooked in big chunks in stew (along with other veg) then picked them out for DS (he got all the bits of the stew but liked things in separate piles so he could see what he was eating).

Potato - mine still won't eat mash. I started potato wedges (usually skin on and some herbs or spices to season) baked in the oven at 6 months as finger food. They went down well, but sweet pot is higher nutritionally than regular potato so maybe do oven baked sweet pot chips (try turnip, suede, carrot, parsnip, all make good 'chips' for finger food).

bean burgers, fritters or falafel are good fillers, lentil cakes too (you can fry or oven bake shaped in a mini muffin tin)

No recipe for rusks but do you remember the oaty chews recipe I posted ages ago? (It started out as a cookie recipe but I made them more like flapjacks - gluten free, sugar free, egg free and can be dairy free too) I whizz the oats to make them finer then add the other ingredients and they are really similar to an off the shelf baby oat bar that's popular in the UK. Maybe worth a try?

home made chicken liver pate is a good way to get iron rich protein without it being 'meat'.

I'm sure you are going to really enjoy this weaning process despite the early months of milk/solids having been difficult.

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #26 on:** April 05, 2013, 21:41:27 pm »

Boneless and skinless thighs here are quite pricey. But if you buy with both they are cheap. I like the thigh meat

Lots of sweet potato (kumera too) here. I think ill make some for finger foods given that he already has it as a purée.

Ill hunt out your oaty chews recipe!

Thanks creations. T is a pleasure to feed I have to admit. He just never wants to stop

and gets constipated.

Skadiver13 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 05, 2013, 22:11:25 pm »

HAve you tried sweet potato fries? Yummy and Liam likes to suck on them till they get mushy and then will eat them.

ENMS · « **Reply #28 on:** April 06, 2013, 00:52:01 am »

creations can you post your recipe for oaty chews? they sound yummy

Sara I like to boil whole chickens and I use the thigh meat for M and the white meat for us in some recipes. I put back the carcass to make a yummy broth too, which I give to M as well as it is super goof for the digestive system and I also use it when I cook (for us or for him).

creations · « **Reply #29 on:** April 06, 2013, 07:22:52 am »

Sure, here it is.
tbh you can change this recipe so easily and just throw almost anything in that you know your LO is ok with (some suggestions for different flavours at the end of the recipe but experiment with it!). I haven't tried a veggie version but I really think a mashed sweet pot, grated courgette, carrot etc would also work fine in it. Like I mentioned before If you need gluten free you need to check the box of oats you buy, some are produced in factories with wheat, some are kept totally gluten free. Although I cut into 1" squares, you can obviously make bars/rectangles for younger LOs so they have a longer section to grip as finger food. (where recipe says butter, use any oil your LO is ok with, where recipe says milk use whatever milk substitute your LO is ok with or any juice (apple/pear etc) or water, it really doesn't matter)

OATY CHEWS
3 bananas
1/3 cup butter melted (75g) or your regular oil
2 cups uncooked oats (200g)
1/4 cup milk
1/2 cup raisins (75 - 90g)
1tsp vanilla extract

OVEN 180
WHIZZ or MASH bananas into purée.
ADD butter, milk, vanilla. MIX.
ADD oats, raisins, MIX.
LEAVE TO STAND at least 5 mins.
SPREAD all mixture evenly into a large rectangle approx 1.5cm thick on baking parchment on baking sheet (like flapjacks)
BAKE 15-20 min until lightly brown
COOL first on tray then on wire rack.

Notes:
- After cooking and whilst still warm cut into 1" squares with long knife. They need re-cutting after completely cooling.
- also works well in greased mini muffin tray (pack down). Under 1s may find these too big to eat.
- for a finer mix whizz half or all the oats. This makes them similar to shop bought finger food oaty bars.
- if you have any concerns that your under 1 might choke whizz the raisins or any other fruit you add to make a smoother bar (also makes it sweeter).
- don't be tempted to try these warm as they are pretty spongy and unappetizing. Much better fully cooled.
- this is a great recipe to experiment with, try variations using chopped dried apricots, figs, prunes or other dried fruit, ground almonds, a spoon of smooth peanut butter, orange oil or almond oil instead of vanilla essence, cinnamon, mixed spice, for older toddlers try added seeds and chopped nuts.
- store in airtight container in fridge or freeze in batches.

Shellha · « **Reply #30 on:** April 07, 2013, 11:52:56 am »

Hi again Sara!

I have a great book by a nutritionist, Susannah Olivier, called 'what should I feed my baby?' it was recommended to me by a herbalist/naturopath when I had DS1 who had silent reflux. In it she states that the 'nightshade family' of vegetables should be completely avoided as they have compounds to which a young baby may be sensitive. The nightshade family include potatoes, tomatoes, peppers/capsicums and aubergines/eggplant. With Ts sensitive tummy might be worth avoiding these till he is older??? Just a thought, always worked for us :-)

To fill up DS1, who didn't STTN till I started this, I gave him a brown rice purée. I used to mix fruit in to it as a dessert, or mix with veg for dinner. It was like lead in his tummy and filled him up beautifully.

For the constipation issues, a dried apricot purée has always worked wonders here too .... It's so delist I used to sneak it when I was feeding DS1!

HTH, Shell

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #31 on:** April 08, 2013, 01:52:02 am »

Thanks shell! Interesting re potato. I had made some but ill leave it for a while now I think.
I do need to borrow my mums grinder so I can make my own brown baby rice.

Did the apricot ever cause reflux flares?

Shellha · « **Reply #32 on:** April 08, 2013, 04:05:02 am »

No flares with us, but definitely got things moving at the other end :-)

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #33 on:** April 12, 2013, 03:02:43 am »

Ladies...for those of you who did your own cereals.
I have brought and ground up my own quinoa and brown rice. Do you know if I can cook it up and mix in my fruit etc and then freeze? So its in a state like the brought stuff is? - does that make sense?

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Author Topic: Help with foods for MSPI baby (Read 7564 times)