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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #120 on: May 17, 2013, 20:00:01 pm »
Thanks Katie :-* a long stretch of 5-6 hrs is great for T! ::)
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #121 on: May 17, 2013, 20:44:40 pm »
Glad to hear things have improved. I hope it continues :)
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #122 on: May 19, 2013, 19:08:47 pm »
Hey ladies.
So nights have settled a little, but still a few NW. Right now I'm ok with this until we see the pead of wed. Once I'm confident there is no pain I think we do need to do some sleep training.

But for now, nights are between 11-12 hrs with usually 1 ENW, then 1 or 2 NW for feeds. WU is between 6-7 BT same, usually closer to 7

Still can not work out his naps. I swear he is LSN :-\ honestly he barely ever shows tired signs and when he finally does he will do a good nap. The pm nap is constantly a resettle. I held at 3,3hrs15 and even tried 3.5. Sometimes he totally refuses to go back to sleep after his 40 min WU.

Am nap is usually 1hr10-30 yesterday was

WU 6.30
Nap 9.30-11 (unusual for him to nap that long on 3hr A)
Nap 2.30 needed resettled and DH APOPed him. Took 20 mins then slept till 4 and I woke.
BT 7.30 (fought us when we tried at 7.15 like UT)
NW 8.15
NW 10.45 fed (didn't feed at BT, closer to 6.30)
NW 2.30 fed
WU 6.25

Oh and we have crazy teething and he is pulling up now (so developmental stuff)
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #123 on: May 19, 2013, 20:59:43 pm »
DDs pm nap was almost always ugly until a few weeks ago.  Over a period of a few days, it got longer and longer and now it's sometimes 2 hours which was previously unheard of.  I don't even know if it got better because of all of the tweaking I did or if she just grew out of it :-\   Even now that it's mostly better, I find that if she's teething she goes back to a 40 min pm nap.

I don't know if this helps you, but I found it reassuring - In BWSAYP, Tracy talks about inconsistent napping being very common between 6 and 9 months.  She mentions that sometimes one of the naps is short and there's not always something you can do about it except adjusting your routine to accommodate the short nap.
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #124 on: May 19, 2013, 21:27:27 pm »
Interesting about teething as T is definitely teething. When I go in at 40 mins his cheeks are always so red!
Lily, thanks. I guess I don't know what to do if the pm nap is short? - offer a 3rd or EBT?
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #125 on: May 19, 2013, 21:41:38 pm »
I usually offered a short 3rd nap (10-20 min) because EBT didn't seem to work but I was doing BT too late on a regular basis so EBT wasn't really early enough to be helpful, iykwim. 
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #126 on: May 19, 2013, 22:00:55 pm »
So say I get 40 mins at 2-2.40 would you do a CN at 4.40-5? Then BT at 7 ??? Or EBT at 5.30?
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #127 on: May 20, 2013, 02:01:13 am »
I would probably go for the CN at 4:40 and BT at 7 or slightly earlier.
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #128 on: May 20, 2013, 02:03:45 am »
Thanks Hun. Well today he did
WU 6.20
Nap 9.30-10.35 (1 hr UT I think)
The watched for sleepy cues. Got NONE so sent for it at
Nap 1.55-3 (another 1 hr 5 but I snuck in at 35 and placed a hand on him. He jolted at 45 or so.)

So there you have it...the kid that no matter what naps and NW like crazy. I'm so at a loss. :( he's either OT or UT or (and probably this too) needs help to sleep.

He gives no tired signs, I'm guessing that his pm nap was OT because of the jolt. :-\  I'm really a little scared to push to 3.5 for his am already because then we struggle to fit a pm in if he is silly about it. That said at 6 mths he was on 3-3hrs15
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #129 on: May 20, 2013, 03:55:04 am »
(((hugs)), James never napped well until he dropped to 1 nap.  I think it's just harder for some babies to sort daytime sleep.

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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #130 on: May 20, 2013, 03:58:56 am »
:( I so need him to nap though with Z, every nap is a battle. I've seriously tried short, med, long As. He 'used' to nap well before 6 months grrrr..... He is pulling up and cruising now, could this be part of it? Also I know we need to st. He needs to go in the cot awake and not be 'rescued' 1/2 the time ::)

I am also sure he is LSN - 14/24 or even a touch less, so getting 12 at night means less during the day

I think we will start gentle st (again!) as he seems well today. It's causing strain in DH and is relationship now too YK? He is quite persistent for a textbook baby so I hope we don't give up. Where it's hard with him is a) I try to minimise the crying b) he settles better when we are not in the room and c) w are tough as were tired and I don't want him to wake Z.

* update it's 5 pm and he's tired cranky. So I'm defiantly missing his window :-\ that or it's teeth ::)
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #131 on: May 20, 2013, 13:38:40 pm »
So I'm defiantly missing his window :-\ that or it's teeth ::)
Definitely sounds like teeth are bothering him to me, but could be a bit of both.  G was not good for tried signs either, so I just had to go with experimentation.  And, thankfully with a couple NFs he always did a pretty good night. :P

I also think pulling up and cruising can definitely cause issues for some LOs.  Pulling up was like the best game ever invented for G... I hated it! ::) Never caused an issue with C.

Sounds like when teething eases and with the clear from the ped, some gentle ST is a good plan.  We also got lots of 1-1:15/20 naps at this age though, so it may be something that just is. :-\



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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #132 on: May 20, 2013, 17:35:18 pm »
Well EBT 5.45 backfired tonight Katie :( he's up at 5. :o last night he was up an hour in ENW - then at 11.30 where I fed.
I'm just not sure what to do. I can't ap the am nap but it seems if that one is short then day is a write off :-\
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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #133 on: May 20, 2013, 20:27:21 pm »
Oh no! :( Can you APOP a 3rd CN at some point? I think like Lily was saying a couple posts back, I always went for that 3rd one til I couldn't (probably 8/9mo, but by then both other naps needed to be short for it to work). 

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Re: Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl
« Reply #134 on: May 20, 2013, 21:09:46 pm »
 Ok so DH got him back to sleep :) at 5.35 and I went in at 7.05 and he was awake chilling.
I know I'm freaking myself out. I just red to step back - sigh

So today and for next 3 days I'm going back to scratch. I going to watch for cues from 2hr45 and if I get none go for 3hrs15/20 first A. I'm going to then just pd at 3 hrs A next. If I get UT at least ill fit in a CN and OT will be reduced YK?

I know teeth are probably part of this, my old threads with Z at this age were similar but Z napped better and nights were short. I can not get over how much this boy moves though. He's cruising already, standing with 1 arm out trying to walk. Wtf!
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