Horrendous long NW with baby trying to crawl

[*Ali*]

I know you don't want to wean the dummy as it helps with the reflux but do you think it is a prop and causing a problem? Is he close to replug going himself at all?

[ZacsMumme]

Tis is the thing that is so hard with him Ali,
With Z yup - total prop, dependent, loved it we were in and out 2-3 times most night to replug then he did it himself and was fine.

With T. Sometimes he doesn't want it, and goes down without it...sometimes he acts like he doesn't want it, other times he is happy for a replug and we leave but usually when he cries and we go in it's something different to get him back down every time. Does that make sense?

He never seems 100% which is why it's hard to safety say yup lets make sure he can SS and teach him as it involves crying and sometimes he makes himself sick (not even crying a lot) sometimes we have to PU but then in order to pd before asleep we spend up having some PU/PD and I have to be careful not to do it too quick as to make his reflux worse.

My gut says he needs to replug himself - like you say.
He needs to be able to settle on his own without us, even if sometimes he can, often he needs something even if it's pressure. So maybe he wants reassurance in the night
We will be much better off (him) if I can get rid of the NF.

I just don't know how or where to start! Or how to stick with it YK?

[ZacsMumme]

Sorry serial posting but I have just been to the dr so wanted to update and see what you ladies think re sleep training.
- we both agree reflux is ok ATM.
- she confirmed he is teething
- she believes all his issues ATM are stemming from constipation. She thinks the runny poops are a side effect from the constipation

So. Increase in lactulose. Give as 1 dose before BT (Ali she agreed with you about that idea )
Also, discussed his intolerances. No milk or soy or wheat till 2 yrs
She thinks feed him more solids. But we need to just get the constipation sorted. ...

All this in mind I 'think' we are safe to attempt some gentle sleep training... What do you think about my thoughts in the prev post re paci and settling? Xx

[Erin M]

What do you think about my thoughts in the prev post re paci and settling? Xx

I think you're right, but I'd be wary about the paci becoming a prop (I know you don't think it is right now, but with continued replugging, it could be, yk?) -- guide his hand to it when he wakes at night, I guess and hope that he starts doing it himself? 
What are you thinking about weaning feeds?  Cutting down ounces or just going cold turkey on one of them? 

[ZacsMumme]

Thanks Erin. I do think it is a bit of a prop, but I also don't know if there is anything I can do about it YK? I will make him replug himself. He can do it during A time.

I was thinking of not feeding before 11pm at night. That is 5 hrs after his BT bottle. He can do that during the day even! Or...feeding a full bottle at 10 ish if he wakes then and then trying to not feed till morning

[Erin M]

It seems like he should be able to do that at his age -- I'd probably just keep a close eye on his total intake for a few days to make sure he's making up for it during the day, yk?

I get what you're saying about the paci -- I think at this point he's going to have to  learn to replug. 

[weaver]

I'm just dropping off hugs, no words of wisdom, sorry. ((()))

[ZacsMumme]

Omg I just read this (well the article about why baby wont sleep) as we've been up every 45 mins

http://www.troublesometots.com/6-9-month-baby-sleep-guide/

We're stuffed....it's totally our fault, and I don't know how to fix it I can't wean the paci, we can not survive a reflux flare without it, the crying alone for my toddler will mean 2 miserable children and mummy so stressed out you won't believe it..... Can it be that even though he goes down awake on his own in bed sometimes that it's getting worse because of us being there too much?

DH just gives in, so right now I feel like I'm on my own in working this out. When I took over at 11 (BT was 6.45) I fed, changed nappy and made him put the paci in his mouth and left quietly. I'm not sure if he is asleep but I just don't know what more I can do?

* update. When I went in he had spilled everywhere and it reeked of acid. So I guess we're back at square 1 - pain. I rocked him around 2am  in the recliner for an hour then finally he slept till 6.20.

I feel like I'm going mad.

[katie80]

(((Hugs))), Sara!  Every 45min seems more like a discomfort issue than a prop issue to me.  

I think getting him to replug will be a step in the right direction, but honestly the things you say he is doing physically along with his tummy and feeding issues, I wouldn't say that anything is your fault.   You're doing the best you can and you all need to get some sleep, so sometimes that's all you can do.  He's got a good EASY, you've got a plan to work on getting rid of NFs and getting him to replug.  I think that's the way to go.  

[*Ali*]

I think the less you can help him the better an independent sleeper he will be but with a baby in discomfort you just have to do what you have to do and completely independent sleep is not always possible right now.
Should his spit up be acidic with his reflux meds?

[ZacsMumme]

No it shouldn't be acidic I'm going back to dr again today to see if I can get a temp increase.
His am nap he went to sleep all on his own, no help from me so he can do it YK?

[ZacsMumme]

Ok ill give this thread a 3 day break...thank you ladies so much.

Basically the dr has finally given me a medication I am hoping will help T. I need to give everything a few days to settle. (And to give you all a break from my crazy posting and stress!)

So, I will report back, and will work on what we discussed re paci and settling on his own when I can. Just to prove he can do it though he completely self settled for his pm nap too. - enigma!

[Erin M]

lots of ((((hugs))))) sweetie, I'll cross my fingers for some good progress in the next few days. 

[*Ali*]

I hope the new med works. Great news on the IS

[katie80]

lots of ((((hugs))))) sweetie, I'll cross my fingers for some good progress in the next few days. 

Me too!