have decided to "embrace" Ew, just need help with routine

[anna*]

Because the jump from 2 naps to 1 is really tiring for them, and it's really easy to end up overtired, and you'll be more likely to get to a reasonable bedtime without OT, from a longer nap!

I'd try it and see what happens if you don't wake her. For comparison, my little one is a lot older, 21 months. She wakes up between 7 and 7.30, goes down for her nap between 12 and 1, naps about 2.5hrs (I wake her up at 3 if she's not up already), and goes to sleep at 7pm. If she wakes up early in the morning, or only has a short nap, I'll put her down at 6.30pm, sometimes after only 3.5hrs A time, and she goes to sleep.

[Khalam's Mama]

Sounds good well done. I agree i would not wake at this stage. that 530am wu may still be OT so perhaps letting her sleep until she wakes will help that. i never wake mine tbh - too grumpy.

Do you have to lie with her at bt? if not i would try not to in the mornings but say your phrase  from the door else she may get in the habit of calling when she stirs then wanting you.

[Lovejoy]

all other sleeps she's independent, I guess I'm kind of APOP to get her to a sleep rhythm (having had nearly 4 months of let's start the day at 5) and also it feels less psychologically painful for me to lie down, I feel more rested rather than in and out.  I might be causing further problems, but I guess I'm trying to tackle it my own odd way!

[Khalam's Mama]

Not odd at all, I got into this with ds2. After it was a habit and i started not staying a few hard mornings and he stopped waking. You can tackle that if you need to at later date though.

[anna*]

it feels less psychologically painful for me to lie down, I feel more rested rather than in and out.

Yep i totally relate to this! Things only a mother would say: lying on a cold hard floor without so much as a pillow, listening to a screaming baby = restful.

[Khalam's Mama]

it's all relative eh?

[Lovejoy]

he he! it's nicer than getting back into your own bed and getting comfy and then waaaahhh!!!

(ps  I have the creature comforts of duvet and pillow on floor!)

[Khalam's Mama]

Lol. How was last night/ this morning?

[Lovejoy]

still having EW but we are settling her so it is broken sleep for an extra hour, but it means I can officially start her day later and then give her a later lunchtime.
eg yesterday
WU 5 - settled
WU 6am
Nap 1115
WU 220
BT 715

Today
WU 520 settled
WU 6.40
Nap 11.15
WU I'll wake her 230


I'm waiting for the nap to mess up, i get nervous she'll wake up early from her 1 naps!

On another note - how on earth do you get out and about?  In the summer hols I'll have to force dd1/2 to wait until after 2pm to go anywhere!

[Khalam's Mama]

Personally I would time naps with the travel and b would sleep in the buggy for as long as at one. But if it is not somewhere I could do that it did often limit what we could do. I used to get out in the morning and just have quiet time with DS1 in the afternoon while B napped. It doesn't last forever. I would stick with the resettling for now and hope the wu keeps getting later but if not in a week or 2 I would try to push that nap later and see if it helps the ew.

[Lovejoy]

hello, well I've not posted as I've been plodding along with the 1 nap, great that she took to it well, however the EW haven't improved, I think we had a 1-2 week of 540/6ams WU but then we went away and the EW restarted, but since then she's still the same. 
As her sleep is generally 11 hours she's getting full sleep
Her routine is WU 5ish  (i won't start the day until 6am)
Nap I've played with 1030am until 1230 but then bedtime is 6pm (sometimes 6.30)
I've done naptime 11am until 1pm (although sometimes she wakes earlier because of OT) and bedtime is 6pm/630
her max naptime is 2hours,
 
so i've tied to push her nap out to extend bedtime too, which means sometimes her day is longer than it should be, but she still wakes up at 5ish.
Even when she's had NW (she settles herself) I've hoped that would break her bodyclock timings.
(incidentally she's started needing me to be stay in the room for her naptime sleep)

Give up now and accept?

[Lovejoy]

also she doesn't tack on sleep with EBT

[anna*]

Have you tried pushing nap and bedtime later?

[Lovejoy]

I've given her 6 hour awake time before nap and she generally ends up waking early because of OT, and I've tried later bedtime too

[anna*]

You can't resettle from an OT nap? My little girl would moan and fuss for a LONG time, but eventually resettle. If you feel like you've truly tried everything then I guess you have! Remember that any change you make you'll need to stick with for at least a week. Like the clock change, whether it goes easy or is difficult, eventually they all do adjust. If it was me I would move the nap and bedtime both, and hang tough.