19-month old finally sleeping until 7 am but...

[cath~]

Here's the link KM mentioned
How to Adjust to Daylight Savings

I would also recommend introducing a Gro clock or lights on a timer or similar if you don't use this already.  Really helped us deal with EWs from 18 months +

Here is a FAQ:
Gro-Clock / Lights on a timer: What, Why, When and How

[Khalam's Mama]

Yes I second that.

[hanna]

Thanks! From your experience, would you say that a 90-minute nap is an OT nap or perhaps happens if the previous night sleep was 12 hrs long? This happened today. Yesterday she slept 11 hrs at night and had a 2-hr nap.

I was just reading the posts from the 19-month old routines talking about UT. I'm wondering how I will know when to change my now 20-month old's routine. She has a 12-12.25 hr day on most days. Perhaps it's UT that makes her wake around 6 am?

[cath~]

I would say more likely to be due to long night than OT.  OT naps are usually shorter than that.

Yes, sounds like she wakes at 6am simply cos she's had enough sleep by then.

You could use a combination of the Gro clock and shifting whole day in 15 min increments to move WU later, like when the clocks change.  What do you think?

[hanna]

Thanks. Do you think she can handle a 6 hr A time? (from 7-13.00)
She has liked 5.5 for a while now, but Tuesday and today she cried and I had to go in and sit in a chair next to her bed until she fell asleep at 12.45. She had a 12hr night pretty much. She has always been sensitive to OT but I guess I have to try and move her nap by 15 minutes and see... I don't mind moving it but 2 days a week she is going to be napping at daycare, at 12.30. When I tried 6 hrs in the past, she usually slept less than 2 hrs.

[cath~]

I'd try increasing it by 15 mins (30 mins is quite a big jump) first, keep it at that for a few days, and see if that helps.  It's not uncommon for LOs to be able to handle 6 hr A time at this age.

[hanna]

I'm back. She is now 21 months: over the last two weeks she has started waking up earlier and earlier, 5 am sometimes or 5.50 am if she goes back to sleep. She has another cold and may be teething. The last 3 days now she wants us to stay in her room until she is asleep. She cries if we leave. She also has had 1-2 nws the last few nights.  She has also had some short naps, waking up crying 45-60 mins sleep only. I'm pretty sure she is OT.

Today at least she napped at daycare from 12-14.00. Here's today:
WU 5.00 resettled, 5.50 awake again, gave her milk in bed, she stayed in bed until 6.30 but awake.
Nap 12.00-14.00
BT 18.30, my husband had to stay on her floor until she fell asleep at 19.00.

Before this started she was napping at 12.30 or 12.45 and going to bed at 19.00. But now we are kind of stuck with an earlier nap and an early BT. Medicating hasn't helped.

Any ideas? Just wait it out?

[hanna]

So LO has some kind of SA again at BT, but she sleeps fine at daycare, she goes to sleep quickly and today she slept from 11.50-14.30 at daycare. But tonight, my husband is in there still waiting for her to go to sleep.

Today so far:
WU 6.15 am
Nap 11.50-14.30
BT 19.00, asleep 19.45.

I thought she would fall asleep easily since she was well rested. 4.5 hrs after her nap has worked great before.
She is home with me tomorrow, so I'm sure she'll nap less than today. Not sure when her BT should be right now?

[cath~]

Hmm, a 2hr40 min nap at daycare is quite a long one.  Do you think she just wasn't tired enough after that after only being awake for 4hr30 when you tried to put her down at BT?

Sometimes UT can look like SA at BT.  WDYT?  Has BT been any better/easier on the days when her naps were short?   Are there any signs of SA at other times of day?

[hanna]

She's had a long nap like that before and still gone down at 19.00 though. Her normal nap lengths are 90-120 mins and then a 11.5 night. Her total sleep is around 13-13.5 hrs on good days/nights.

This morning she woke up at 5.20 and my husband went in to her. She cried and then rested for perhaps 20 more mins before she said she wanted milk and then she said all done, which means she wants up. So she slept only 9.5 hrs last night. With normal EW's she will go back to sleep after we give her more pacis and leave her, now we have to stay with her. Not so much SA during the day, but she wants me to hold her a lot when she is tired. She's been like this at BT for 5 days now. Sometimes she falls asleep in 15 mins but she wants someone in there with her.

I will try a 12 noon nap today. Shall I put her to bed at 18.00 tonight?

[hanna]

LO still wants us inner room to sleep. When she has NW's she wants me to sit on her chair. She is sleeping perhaps 10.5-11.00 hrs per night now. She's napping at noon. I've read other similar posts on here about this age. I'm not sure if it's SA or if she is getting used to us being in her room. She has never asked us to stay with her at NWs before. Bit she cries a lot if we leave her.

[cath~]

Hi there,
It is usual for LOs to go through patches of wanting more reassurance at BT.  We have gone through LOTs of these.
Since L is an independent sleeper, we handle them with WIWO.  If she is really upset, sometimes I will offer to sing one lullaby (but no more!) and/or tell her I will wait in my bedroom until she is asleep.  That seems to do the trick.  We went through a patch where offering to leave the door open also helped, but she hasn't asked for that recently.
I try to handle these patches by offering the minimum possible to reassure her whilst trying not to start anything that could become an annoying prop to break.
How have you been handling it at the moment when she wants you to stay?
When L was ~17-18 months and we went through a patch where she needed more reassurance we started staying with her til she was asleep, but then I think this made the NWs worse and drove both me and DH nuts at BT with having to stay with her for so long.  I'm not sure if we could have done less at that age, but since then we have tried really hard not to give more than she really needs to settle her and she knows now that we won't stay with her, but will stay in our room if she wants us to.
Sorry for waffling but maybe some of that is helpful?
At the moment since her nights have shortened, and some naps, yes, I would do EBT so she doesn't get OT.  If she's already OT then that could be why she is EW too.
Has she got her canines yet?  Do you think that's what she's teething?  They can be a complete PAIN and caused a lot of SA for us too.  Have you tried giving any meds at BT to see if that helps her settle?

[hanna]

Hi.
Yesterday, she napped for 2 hrs again, then we did BT at 19.00 (5 hrs later) so
WU 5.50 am
Nap 12-14.00
BT 19.00, asleep at 19.15, husband laid on the floor by her bed, seems like too long of a day, right?

we have just been giving in to her demands of staying in her room because I want her to sleep. She went through the 18-month SA where we stayed and patted her back every night for 3 weeks and then she went back to falling asleep on her own...so I'm hoping she will do the same now. She cries so much if we try to leave. But like you said I don't want to start her on a new routine where we always have to be there.

She has 2 more canines on the way, but even on Ibuprofin she still wants us in her room.

With a 90-120 min nap, should her day still be 12.5 or 13 hrs long at 21 months?

Thanks.

[Khalam's Mama]

I would push the nap a bit later. Bringing it forward only worsened the ew for us. I would aim for 1 pm and no earlier at this age. I would try to keep naps and bt the same rather than work on a times at this age. With the staying with her it sounds like it is making things worse. I would try staying by the door and reassuring her from there. If you stay with her in the morning what is her motivation to go back off? Although I appreciate you wanting her to sleep I think you need to be strict about her falling asleep without you there. I got into this habit with my ds2 and only when I broke it did he start sleeping later sttn.

[hanna]

Hi, she has accumulated OT now. Today she could have gone down for a nap at 11.30, but I gave her lunch and put her down at 11.50. She sang songs until she fell asleep at 12.15. She slept only 1 hr so I know she is OT. It's hard to move the nap later when she wakes up at 6 am and is so tired.  She needs to catch up on sleep first I think. I'm just not sure how early to put to bed at night. 30 minutes earlier than usual, so 18.30? Or as early as 18.00 just for one night? Thanks.

WU 6 am
Nap 12.15-13.15
BT?