3year old ds still n/ws fed up!

[babyrose]

I hope so Catherine, again tonight I sat on the floor he had a wee cry about it but not full on tears so I knew he was at it! stuck to it and he wasn't bothered.

he is different going to bed the last few nights, I cant put my finger on it but its like he thinks its a game laughing at me and monkeying around even though I know he is tired.

bunty, I didn't manage 30 mins earlier tonight will just have to try again tomorrow I guess.

[cath~]

he is different going to bed the last few nights, I cant put my finger on it but its like he thinks its a game laughing at me and monkeying around even though I know he is tired.

do you think you could push the GW a bit more?  maybe your presence is encouraging the monkeying? once you are out of the room hopefully he would see it as less of a game do you think? (not saying go straight to that, but can't help thinking perhaps once you are at that stage he might settle a bit quicker)

[Buntybear]

Seems like he is coping well with it. I think he is testing you hun. Stay firm and don't take any nonsense. Olly is still pushing it and we on 10-10.5 hour nights at the mo 

[babyrose]

sorry haven't posted back.  we are now sitting near enough the door but he now feels the need to lie at the end of his bed (which is closer to me) so i don't feel we are getting anywhere! something is bothering him these days he is very cranky and tired.

this morning  he was up at 8:15 and df is putting him to bed just now at 7:45 so hopefully asleep soon for a shorter day

[Buntybear]

You are getting somewhere! There is no contact which is great  If he feels happier at that end of the bed then so be it. 

[babyrose]

It he feels he must be at the end of the bed then as you say no contact no harm done.

But the last two nights he has been acting up with first with me then df then having a complete meltdown wanting the other parent (this doesn't happen quite so much during the wk as it's just me as df works backshift) but with this happening df has went back to sleeping in beside him in the end!

I feel like we are going round in circles:-(

[Buntybear]

Oh dear    if it were me I would give in on which parent he wanted but would still have no contact. Tell him that he can choose mummy or daddy but that they will stay by the door. Don't go right back to the beginning! Be strong xxx

[babyrose]

He did want both of us last nite and I ended up just leaving df to as ayden was quite chilled when he calmed down! He finally went to sleep at 20:50 and is still sleeping at half 6.

Not going back to the beginning no way not this time!

[Buntybear]

He could be just pushing your limits. Or it could be a phase. As I say olly wants us to stand right outside his door at the moment and keeps coming out to check we are there  . I know that will pass too x

[babyrose]

Its hard isn't it?! Things have been going quite well with gw and his sleeping. Gw we are now sitting right by the door on a chair with the door now being open ready for the next phase!

He started nursery on Monday so the b/t dramas are settling and he goes to sleep within 20 mins, for the past two nights he has slept pretty much right thru but giving us short nights.

Tuesday night 8:10-7:05 very very grumpy all day as soon as he woke

Wednesday night 7:30-6:00 I tried for him to go back to sleep but he was having none of it, so we lay in his bed til 7

What's your thoughts on the nights and what about tonights b/time?

[barbaraz78]

They seem good nights to me, no? Did he sttn?
It depends from the child, for us 11.5 h is a good night.

[babyrose]

They are but I feel they are a bit short going by his grumpyness  in the morning and crying after nursery which isn't like him. He did STTN both nights!

[babyrose]

 Think b/t we will stick with 8pm and hopefully if the STTN continues he will adjust to being up a .little earlier. My only concern now is he was up at 6 this morning should I just go with 8? Or maybe a little earlier?

[barbaraz78]

My ds manages well 13 h max without a nap. But, on the other hand, we usually do set bt, so we put him to bed at the same time regardless of the routine. I think that it usually helps him adjusting his body clock. So, if you would like to implement a set bt at 8 pm, I would try to be consistent with it (I usually make it plus minus half an hour) for several weeks and he could adjust to this. Hopefully, he will continue to sttn, that is a fantastic progress.

Btw, for the grumpiness, I found that after 3 yo the misbehavior is often caused by other reasons (being 3 is a good reason ) and we had 2 months of misbehaving around the 3 yo mark, independent from how long he slept, so it can be also this developmental leap.

[babyrose]

yeah definitely keeping the 8pm b/time if he sleeps til 7am I'm VERY happy with that I'm keeping my fingers crossed about STTN may long it continue!

finding the grumpiness alot lately and its only been the last few wks that its happening, may be as you say a development leap, its  worse than the terrible twos!