2-1 transition?????

[pinkladyangel]

Do you think 2 & half/3 hours is too much? He's only started doing 3hrs since the ew . Last night was a lot better. still nw from 1.30 but slept til 6.50. May aim for 11.45 nap do 2hrs and see what he's like later & aim for 7bt.

[Layla]

2.5 with an expectation of 12 hrs night may be too much and its possible he's up and awake for that long at night because he's kinda reached his sleep quota . So be careful with getting into a cycle of too long nap and for hrs awake at night. I think your plan sounds but just be careful pushing him too much. Just my thought  :-)

[pinkladyangel]

Thank you. I need all the advice i can get lol

[pinkladyangel]

Sorry just a quick question
Managed to get lo down and asleep at 12. If he short naps will try cn or early bedtime. If i wake him after 2 & 1/2 hrs do i do 7pm bt and if he had 3hr nap should i try 7.30 bt?

[Emami]

Well I am going to confuse things with different advice (not to say that Layla is wrong, babies are all different and it's hard figuring ut what works for each one!). I would think those long naps are more likely to be catch up than causing UT since he is on the young side for one nap, and it's a big jump for them even if they're ready for it.  It's a big A increase when their day is only broken into two instead of three awake times.  IME it wouldn't be too much day sleep even if he was STTN.  We didn't have to think about capping at 2hrs until closer to 18 months.  That's just my experience, but I've read enough on here to know that a lot of babies do long naps AND nights when they first make the transition, so I don't necessarily think reaching his sleep 'quota' is an issue yet.  That's not to say everything was perfect when my DD first went to one nap, but I tended to put any sleep problems down to teeth, development, and yes the 2-1 transition but not necessarily that there was anything to 'fix' yk?  I think sleep disturbances are pretty much unavoidable with this and you can drive yourself crazy trying to figure it out.  I think as long as you have a good routine going there's a certain element of just riding it out.  By all means try some different things, but I do think your routine is good.  I would be concerned about capping the nap and getting OT.  But again, doesn't mean Layla is wrong... just my thoughts!  You might find if you keep him at 2hrs max you get perfect nights!

[pinkladyangel]

So would you say that i could let him nap as long as he wants with a view to putting bt back to 7.30? I'm a little confused now

[Layla]

He's only started doing 3hrs since the ew

This is what made me think you were in a cycle of long nap and ut at night. When my girls went down to 1 nap, i didn't find the amount of hrs in total increase all that much...we did the short am/long pm and the 30mins they stopped sleeping in the morning (short am nap) tacked on but that was about it. If we were in an overtired cycle then there would be a catch up but i always try to steer away from mega naps as i find night sleep to be more important (as in tried to aim for 11 at night and 2 during the day).

I do agree that a 2 nap day may be necessary if you feel he can't stay up till usual nap time and we often went bn 2 and 1 nap until we finally settled on 1.

You could try 2.5-3 hr nap with later bd and then reassess if it's not helping :-)

[pinkladyangel]

Ok. In your opinion what would you do given his age.

[pinkladyangel]

Ok so decision taken out of my hands. He woke at 2 after 2 hour nap. Will aim for 7 bt.

[Emami]

He's only started doing 3hrs since the ew

When my girls went down to 1 nap, i didn't find the amount of hrs in total increase all that much..

See, mine did.  She went from 2 hrs day sleep and 11hr nights to 2.5hrs day sleep and 12-13hr nights!

Sorry pinkladyangel, I know you're getting conflicting ideas but they're only suggestions and it's a question of finding what works for your LO.  Also remembering that one day (in the not too distant future) this will be a memory and you'll probably be missing the nap!

[pinkladyangel]

I know that what works for one doesnt necessarily work for another and its a case of working what is right out. Its still hard work lol.
So does a 7pm bt sound ok after a 2hr nap which is smack bang in the middle of what would normally be a 12 hour day.

[Emami]

Sounds good to me, hope you get a good night!

[pinkladyangel]

Me too. Am soooo tired and not been well mysekf. Back to work tomorrow.

[Layla]

Ok. In your opinion what would you do given his age.

I would aim for 2hr nap and 11-12hrs at night

See, mine did.  She went from 2 hrs day sleep and 11hr nights to 2.5hrs day sleep and 12-13hr nights!

Wow Emma...lucky you ... she must be on a high sleep need spectrum

I would think those long naps are more likely to be catch up than causing UT since he is on the young side for one nap, and it's a big jump for them even if they're ready for it.  It's a big A increase when their day is only broken into two instead of three awake times.  IME it wouldn't be too much day sleep even if he was STTN. 

What I was trying to say is that he might be catching up on what he should be doing at night, which is why I suggested a 2hr nap . Capping naps at this age is not unheard of (even if he's just 1) and IF he was STTN then it would be silly of me to make that suggestion but since he's awake and staying awake at night, it may be a case of catching up during the day. But then again, he could be awake at night from other things too (developmental, too cold, too hot, teething, a dream....) and if you have ruled out those things then it may be the too much daytime sleep being the answer. I would say stick to a routine you want to stick to for a week and then go from there to see if its working or not (be it shorter nap, later bedtime, pushing A times)

I hope he had a good night 

[pinkladyangel]

Well here was our day set nap 12-2 (he woke himself) bt was 7 & asleep for 7.15. He woke at for an hour and was asleep by 6.10. I cant let him sleep longer than 7 as i need to be ready for work. Will aim to stick to this for a week and see what happens. Thank you for your help guys. I'm sure i'll be back.