Author Topic: Tons of Wind! What makes this happen and what to do? (Read 5221 times)

roseola · « **on:** August 20, 2013, 12:08:57 pm »

My DS is 6 weeks old and has a good, what I would consider normal amount of burps and gas a day, but last night was so bad! Any BTDT advice and remedies would be greatly appreciated. Mylicon was not helping last night and she was in so much pain

Fiver · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2013, 20:59:29 pm »

I just tried to get as many burps out as possible, did some baby massage on tummy and lay them on their sides to sleep (which I know isn't advised, but both were much more comfortable that way).

Some of it's a matter of time, as you know, but sometimes they'll take in some excess air when feeding it the latch isn't exactly what it could be. But sometimes even the best latch ends with a windy baby $:-\$

*Ali* · « **Reply #2 on:** August 21, 2013, 20:21:08 pm »

I know some people have success with frequent winding during a feed rather than just one or two.

It can also be a result of gulping if the flow is very fast. Might that be an issue? Laying back to nurse can help if so.

Massage can also help. There are details in this thread Massage, Colic, and recognising various cries info.

roseola · « **Reply #3 on:** August 21, 2013, 21:49:10 pm »

Thanks!

Went to pedi. today, and we talked about Mylicon and gripe water, and she said the only thing that has been shown in a randomized controlled trial to help vs. placebo is probiotic, like Biogaia.

I have been doing massage, cycling her legs, and the wind is coming out, but it keeps on coming!

I do think my flow is fast. Do you mean lying on my back?

I'll check out that link.

*Ali* · « **Reply #4 on:** August 21, 2013, 21:52:58 pm »

No by laid back nursing I mean sitting up but reclining so baby is almost facing down. Here is a link with more info although I never laid back quite as much as in the diagram. http://www.llli.org/faq/positioning.html

Fiver · « **Reply #5 on:** August 22, 2013, 19:19:29 pm »

Nini, there's plenty of good stuff in your milk without adding anything else in at this stage

roseola · « **Reply #6 on:** August 22, 2013, 23:40:00 pm »

Amanda - I'm not sure I understand

Fiver · « **Reply #7 on:** August 23, 2013, 19:11:49 pm »

If you're exclusively BF your LO and are not putting anything else into their mouth, you don't need to use a probiotic. There are plenty of good bacteria both in her stomach and your milk. Unless, of course, you want to add something extra to her virgin gut.

roseola · « **Reply #8 on:** August 23, 2013, 22:17:46 pm »

Gotcha. What's your thoughts on 1) Mylicon (simethicone) and 2) gripe water?

cuckoochick · « **Reply #9 on:** August 24, 2013, 06:50:03 am »

Listening in as we are struggling with this too. The GP told me not to use infacol with the ranitidine but this week we seem to have had nights and nights with her writhing around with gas. Nothing has changed in my diet though...

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #10 on:** August 24, 2013, 07:36:29 am »

When T had terrible colic this was the one thing that worked well. Is pricey but he was terrible! And it helped

http://www.coliccalm.com (tummy calm is good too)
Otherwise gripe water, gas drops ie infacol or oval, lots of massage and winding.

This winding technique worked a charm for my first!
http://tvnz.co.nz/content/2854946/2527449.xhtml

Fiver · « **Reply #11 on:** August 24, 2013, 19:06:23 pm »

Infacol can help (Mylicon), but can also make the wind bubbles SO big that they push up milk as well as the wind, which isn't ideal. DS's paed advised against it as he described it as "too harsh" for small LOs.

Gripe water....well, the jury's out. We used to give DD a dose in the evening and that was it. I think it did help her move a bit of wind.

roseola · « **Reply #12 on:** August 24, 2013, 19:57:40 pm »

I actually have her 1 dose of gripe water before her last feed before bed I think it helped too.

Fiver · « **Reply #13 on:** August 24, 2013, 20:57:47 pm »

Well, that's something

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #14 on:** August 25, 2013, 04:00:41 am »

Simethicone seems to either help a lot, or make things a little worse...so IMO they are worth a try IF you think your LO is struggling. The cost of them here isn't much so it was worth having it in the cupboard YK.

Agree with Amanda re probiotics. Unless your LO needs them for meds (ie reflux) or has gut issues then I wouldn't bother if EBF.

roseola · « **Reply #15 on:** August 25, 2013, 14:41:22 pm »

Im looking deeper into the research on probiotic before I give it. It's the only thing shown to work better than placebo in randomized trial. She is EBF

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #16 on:** August 25, 2013, 16:19:21 pm »

Probiotics won't ever be a bad thing YK? So there is no harm in giving them

Fiver · « **Reply #17 on:** August 25, 2013, 16:50:57 pm »

If you're going to use them, Kellymom suggests using one that has more Bifidobacteria than Lactobacillus (http://kellymom.com/bf/concerns/child/preventing-thrush/). Also bear in mind that probiotics are naturally occurring in breastmilk too.

roseola · « **Reply #18 on:** August 26, 2013, 03:26:09 am »

Links about the specific probiotic, one is the abstract from the American Journal of Ped., and other is the same abstract from the companies website with graphs:

http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(12)00920-1/abstract

http://biogaia.com/study/infant-colic-significantly-reduced-supplementation-lactobacillus-reuteri-protectis

I'm leaning towards trying it...

bluehour · « **Reply #19 on:** August 26, 2013, 11:47:51 am »

I'm thinking about trying it too! What did you decide to do?

roseola · « **Reply #20 on:** August 26, 2013, 12:35:12 pm »

I'm still reading, but Wiki, which I know is not always right, says the organism in Biogaia is in breast milk already, and if I increase my intake then the amount in breast milk goes up too...I would rather take it than give it to DD if it was an option.

Fiver · « **Reply #21 on:** August 26, 2013, 19:09:37 pm »

Quote from: roseola on August 26, 2013, 12:35:12 pm

I would rather take it than give it to DD if it was an option.

Yes, that's really my feeling on it as well.
If it will transfer through, then it's worth a shot and might make you feel better too

roseola · « **Reply #22 on:** August 26, 2013, 23:26:34 pm »

So I gave it and tasted it. There is a high powered study on its safety in the NICU, and after Ped. mentioned the potential of intra-partum Abx, which I received, modifying the baby's gut flora, I'm okay with it and hoping for a positive result.

bluehour · « **Reply #23 on:** August 27, 2013, 09:59:06 am »

Let us know how it goes! I ordered some but have to wait for delivery.

roseola · « **Reply #24 on:** August 27, 2013, 11:45:51 am »

I'm also doing massage, leg cycles, increased winding, etc. and I tried the nursing position Ali suggested, but it's tricky!

*Ali* · « **Reply #25 on:** August 27, 2013, 19:15:27 pm »

I prop myself up with pillows behind me on my bed and then use a widgey feeding pillow to support LO. I slide my bum forward so I can recline against the pillows. It really is just like slouching.

Fiver · « **Reply #26 on:** August 27, 2013, 19:23:21 pm »

Good luck

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #27 on:** August 27, 2013, 19:58:59 pm »

Good luck!

roseola · « **Reply #28 on:** August 28, 2013, 00:42:46 am »

Thank you!

Proud Mammy · « **Reply #29 on:** August 28, 2013, 12:35:28 pm »

@ Roeola : I've started taking probiotics myself in hopes that it will transfer to Baby. Got advice from nutritionist that I respect and have been advised by before, so we shall see if that helps in any way. I used the simethicone for about 5 days/ wk, but decided that it really wasn't making enough of a difference so I stopped with it. I'd rather not be giving anything, unless it is necessary or really helps the situation.

@ Zacsmumme: thanks for the link to the burping technique. Going to give it a go with my son. He is IMPOSSIBLE to get wind out of. I KNOW the wind is in there, but no matter what techniques I've been trying, it just won't come out!! Neither my husband nor I have been successful with any consistently

It's frustrating because I know it causes him to be so uncomfortable and in such pain and he's been sick a couple of turns because of it. Am hopeful of this technique. I've been trying ones from YouTube and everything. Grrr. Thanks!!

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #30 on:** August 28, 2013, 19:00:17 pm »

proudmummy - I hope it works. It always got the stubborn wind up on my boys

roseola · « **Reply #31 on:** August 28, 2013, 19:14:54 pm »

^^^ Me too! And I think the massage followed by the bump on the knee really help!!

Proud Mammy · « **Reply #32 on:** August 30, 2013, 11:50:38 am »

Thanks guys, so far, so good with that. It seems to be helping lift some gas for him. Yay!!!

ZacsMumme · « **Reply #33 on:** August 30, 2013, 19:36:07 pm »

Hendix · « **Reply #34 on:** September 05, 2013, 07:51:48 am »

We had very similar problem with wind from birth and from 3 months got worse. baby started fussing when feeding, only taking small feeds, lots of trapped wind would not budge and became very restless after gong down for night. Would wake and flip about like fish in discomfort sometimes every half hour/hour all through night.
I spoke to hvisitor and doc and advised water (doc said was colic at 4.5months).
Anyway I finally removed dairy completely from diet (despite doc advising absolutely do not cut dairy) and we have a different baby. I insisted we get referral to paed consultant and we finally seen one at 6 months by which time she said I'd done all the leg work.. We have milk protein intolerance and not all symptoms are same.
One thing I did find helped was to gently rub my hand from bottom to shoulder very slowly while baby snoozing after feed as she was relaxed and this would sometimes shift the wind. I could never or rarely shift wind when she w tense and she was always tense when in discomfort.
Also walking up and down stairs or walking fast around house helped early on but not always.
Hope this helps, it's hard when your lil one is clearly in discomfort.
Hope you get fixed.
Jx
P.s. we are EBF and still are at 7 months.. You could try soya or comfort milk (we turned out to be soya intolerant as well)

*Ali* · « **Reply #35 on:** September 06, 2013, 07:17:58 am »

Thanks for sharing Hendrix. I know it's always nice for us mamas to hear from someone who has btdt

The WHO do not recommend giving water to EBF before 6mo. If you do give it it needs to have been boiled (and cooled) to sterile it.

In the UK at least, I'm not sure about other countries, the recommendations are to not give soya milk before 12mo because of concerns about its possible effects on general is development. So always do your own research and check with your doctor before offering alternative milks.

Hendix · « **Reply #36 on:** September 06, 2013, 09:07:55 am »

Hi, sorry I meant formulas (soya or comfort) not milk

when I cut dairy I discovered how delicious soya lattes were and got v excited only to discover that me drinking them also upset my lo..
Also you are right about water which is why I thought it was odd my hv advised.. We did offer baby a tiny bit of boiled cooled water (this was at 4 months) and she vomited back up quite aggressively so did not go there again. My hv also mentioned tiny drop of prune juice or orange diluted which we didn't do. Our baby was not constipated, still pooing and the following week another hv advised not to gve juice...
Tbh all health people gave us completely wrong advice (water, juice, colic, do not cut dairy) and not once did someone mention intolerance.
It was through forums like this and other mums I seen the similarities. Thank heavens I did.
Thanks and good luck x

*Ali* · « **Reply #37 on:** September 06, 2013, 11:01:08 am »

It is so hard when you get conflicting advice. That is why I think it is important to do your own research even before acting on the advice of a medical professional so you can ask the right questions

roseola · « **Reply #38 on:** September 06, 2013, 16:15:57 pm »

Hi all! It's been almost 2 weeks that DD has been taking Biogaia and I really do think there is some improvement. Still gassy, but less and definitely less extreme discomfort, she seems to get it out more. Also, BMs have changes to more thick and yellow. I'm not sure if this is just the normal progression of EBF'ing or it's from the probiotic.

Another thing that influenced me to give it directly to DD was because she not only got Abx in-utero at delivery, but in breast milk. I had a bad mastitis and was on 10 days of oral antibiotics, so I think all that had to alter her gut flora.

If I remember correctly from DS, in the USA they don't recommend water until 1 year.

Hendix - how long did you cut out dairy until you noticed improvement?

Fiver · « **Reply #39 on:** September 06, 2013, 18:45:46 pm »

Glad she seems to be improving. The poos could just be normal progression.

Hendix · « **Reply #40 on:** September 08, 2013, 19:49:04 pm »

Hi there,
Change in poo went hand in hand with our tummy upsets and discomfort getting worse. Our poo went from every time she fed to suddenly once every 2/3 days and even then it was with help of vibrating chair. Her poo went quite gloopy too like congealed - tmi?!
I started trying to cut dairy but didn't remove completely and noticed a slight improvement in 4 days but once I completely cut dairy and started reading ingredients (milk and butter in everything!) I'd say 3 days I realised her pain had eased significantly.
I also looked and found little mucus in poo which is when I pushed doc for appt with paed consultant.
I also have very aggressive let down which is nightmare for gas, we still have gassy night wakes and little discomfort at bedtime but manageable.
One thing to mention if u do try cutting dairy is to take vitamin supp and calcium supp. I have almond milk and its actually nice and has calcium but only 20% of cows milk which baby needs.
Good luck and trust your instinct, you know your baby better than any doc just keep pressing if you feel not quite right.
These forum are saviour for helping and making you feel like you're not alone.
I found it all quite overwhelming knowing my lo wasn't right but Heath care and family thinking I was being over protective.
X

roseola · « **Reply #41 on:** September 17, 2013, 00:40:38 am »

Is garlic or onions known to cause gas? Or tomatoes or tomato sauce? (We are Italian

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ZacsMumme · « **Reply #42 on:** September 17, 2013, 07:14:55 am »

I think both onions and garlic can make LOs gassy...but this is an old wives tale

(no evidence to support as far as I am aware)

Fiver · « **Reply #43 on:** September 17, 2013, 19:07:54 pm »

Most things that are said to cause wind only do so in the BF mother

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Author Topic: Tons of Wind! What makes this happen and what to do? (Read 5221 times)