The 2-1 journey continues....

[Eva's Mummy]

Hey Char, Like Shiv said our BT was slipping too to so we have been adding a CN in the morning just 20mins after 3.5hrs then second nap 2.5hrs later. It is helping as our WU have gone back to 7ish so your day would look a bit like this, we never have a problem with refusing the second nap because 20mins isnt long enought to effect it, it just keeper going going a bit to get a later "real" nap.

WU 6:15
CN 9:45 - 10:05
Nap 12:35 - 14:35
BT 19:30

[Shiv52]

Hey Char, Like Shiv said our BT was slipping too to so we have been adding a CN in the morning just 20mins after 3.5hrs then second nap 2.5hrs later. It is helping as our WU have gone back to 7ish so your day would look a bit like this, we never have a problem with refusing the second nap because 20mins isnt long enought to effect it, it just keeper going going a bit to get a later "real" nap.

WU 6:15
CN 9:45 - 10:05
Nap 12:35 - 14:35
BT 19:30

The issue is if A gets a short CN he will either refuse his PM nap or short nap too.  I think it's really to do with A time issues. Even after a 20 minute nap he seems to need long A times.

I'd try APing a PM CN if you can and get bedtime pushed out to encourage a later wake up. My fear with EBT is that it was going to become bedtime and it seems it has as he's not tacking on.

[Joy-filled]

I really don't know if Aaron would take a CN in the am... and Shiv is right, even after a 20 min CN, I'm certain Aaron would need a long A time before he'd go down and history has shown that he will then refuse or short nap the pm nap.

BT last night was 6:15 and he woke at 5:30 today (only reason I know he was awake is because DH watches the monitor when in the am when he gets up for work.  Aaron silently tried to put himself back to sleep for the next 45 min, occasionally lay still for 2-3 min but then "awake" again.  Possibly asleep 6:10-6:15 but then wide awake sitting and chatting.  However, he is now lying down again trying to fall back asleep and it's 6:30 am...he's clearly tired and needs more sleep but just can't do it.  He needs to tack on and tries so hard to but really has a hard time of it.  So his nap will be 11:30 today with basically a 5:30 WU .....should I do his nap earlier so I can fit a CN in without pushing BT too, too late or do I stick with 11:30(unless he falls back asleep this am, he sure is trying hard)?

[Shiv52]

I'd maybe do 5 hours and then you'll be able to fit in a CN. He'd over 11 hours last night so its not too and really x

[Joy-filled]

Yeah, his night was decent....I just wish he'd tack on better to deal with the OTness as an 11 hr night after a 1 hr nap isn't that great  .  But....he is getting some good rest in when he's trying to fall asleep so at least he's getting that   However, happy news is that he's now been asleep for over 15 min so he's fallen back asleep this morning     I'm not sure how long he'll sleep but hopefully he'll sleep awhile yet.  So, if I stick with 5 hr A time that likely means I won't be able to fit a CN in today without pushing BT too late which won't help the OTness situation.  However, if he wakes up at 6:30 or earlier tomorrow I'll make tomorrow a 2 nap day to see if we can push BT/WU. 

If his nap is 1-1.15 hrs, would you do the CN 3.75-4 hrs later? 

[Joy-filled]

Wow!  He slept for a whole extra hour!!  He's been in his crib for 6:00 last night until 7:35 this morning, getting about 12.5 hours of sleep in there and 1 hour of rest.  Hopefully this will mean he gets a good nap in today?  Will do a 12:35 nap today and see how it goes.  If he naps more than 1 hr, should I do 5 hrs from end of nap to BT or stick with 6:30 set BT?  Or should we just wait and see what happens with the nap and go from there?

[jessmum46]

Sorry just jumping back in, (((hugs))) and sorry things haven't been great for you recently.

My experience at this stage of the 2-1 was pushing later than set times always backfired.  I took the view that if LO had a lie-in, they probably needed it so there wasn't any point in me taking it away from them at the end of the day.  Does that kind of make sense?  Shiv may have had a different experience though x

[Joy-filled]

No need to apologize Katherine and thanks for the hugs and for popping in  .  TBH, things aren't that bad....they're just similar to the way they've always been - short naps, perpetual OTness, hit or miss nights with NWs, etc. I think I just need to carry on for a bit longer and continue to hope the nap lengthens.

I'm really not sure what to do about today's nap.  5 hrs to 12:30 or stick with 11:30.  I feel like no matter what I do he won't nap long.  In the past after a mega night, he has UT short napped if I've stuck with the set nap time so I'm afraid if I do 11:30 I'll get a 1 hr UT nap.  But it seems if I do 5 hrs I can't seem to get him to sleep more than 2 sleep cycles and end up with a total nap of 60-75 min.  This makes me want to do 12:30 so I can have a more reasonable BT and not have to do a CN or EBT.  Perhaps somewhere in the middle?  I'm just not sure  .

 Any others have a thought one way or the other?  I greatly appreciate the feedback and suggestions!

[Shiv52]

Just from past experience after such a good night I don't think he'll be ready to nap
At 11.30. He'll be UT I'd think.

[Haribo2012]

Great start to the day hun :-) I'd probably go somewhere in the middle, I'm not doing set naps though.. still do rough A times so if it was me I'd prob aim for 12 ish!! But then not sure I'm the best one to give my opinion right now lol x

[Shiv52]

I also think although you are aiming for a set nap, really you are aiming for a better start to the day and a later set nap overall so if you get the later wake up I'd go with the later nap.  You only went with 11.30 to deal with the OT issues as he was waking so early.

And it's easier to move the day before it becomes too set YK?

[Joy-filled]

WU for daycare needs to be 6:45 so until he can handle 5 hrs for his A time, I think the nap goal is 11:45.  I wish we could push the day forward even more and do 7:00 WU, 12:00 nap, 7:00 BT or even 7:30 WU, 12:30 nap, 7:30 BT so Aaron can have more time with DH in the evening, but having him WU later than 6:45 on those 3 days that I go to work would really rush things.  So we're not too far off from the goal, really.

Fabulous news about the nap!!!  I ended up going with 5 hrs after WU - he slept 12:35-1:38 (1 hr 3 min), sat up and cried briefly but then lay right back down and within 10 min was back asleep.  It's 2:10 and he's now been asleep for 20min so it seems he did it !  Do you think I should do 6:30 set BT or do BT 5 hrs after he wakes from his nap?  Or should we wait and see how long he naps for and what time he wakes up?

[Joy-filled]

Well, he did 1 more sleep cycle and slept 36 more min, waking up at 2:25 so a total nap of 1 hr 38 min.  I'll take it  .  How does 7:00 BT sound?

[Shiv52]

Good boy Aaron!!

I'd do 7pm xx

[Joy-filled]

Thanks for all of the input today, everyone!  I'll continue to go with "set" nap at 11:30 but go with 5 hr A if WU is later than 6:30. Hopefully over the next few days he will again resettle mid-nap (or sleep right through    ) so he gets a good nap and we can start to get some consistent sleep happening.  I believe we'll get there one day!