The 2-1 journey continues....

[Eva's Mummy]

Possibly, but all in all not bad i dont think. I would stick with that for a few days and see if his nap lengthens from there.

Are you going to try for a 20 min CN around 4:15ish then BT 7pm or EBT 5:30? Or something else?

[Joy-filled]

Yes, I'll try for a CN.  I think he will take it a bit earlier around 4:00, though (based on his history of 1 hr ish nap and a CN about 3 hr 30 later) so I think I'll do a 30 min CN with a 7 pm BT. 

Sara do you agree I should stick with 4.5 hr if he has a good night for a few more days and see if his nap lengthens?

[ZacsMumme]

What a smart little man tacking on for mummy!
I think every thing changes in the 2-1, a lot of LOs that don't tack on then do YK? Because he IS getting a bit more sleep in 24, and his nights are a bit better I would try 4hrs45 if you think that am nap was UT. I agree that it sounds that way. What you could do is pd at 4hrs35/40 and see how he fares. This way you very gently pushing rather than jumping up and down...it will barely be noticeable to him, but may help him sleep longer rather than short nap with OT if you say jumped to 5 hrs.

Your CN plan sounds good. Really it doesn't matter when he takes it as long as he does lol!  Will do a CN after 3.5 hrs too so between then and 4 will prob work well, then BT 2.5 hrs later maybe?

Given the EBT may be working now, try to use it, and trust it may do the job. I may not work EVERY time, but the more you use it to combat OT the more he will adjust and tack on YK? - it's a really good tool in 18 mth sleep regression so if you can get him to accept it and tack on it will be useful going forward.

[Joy-filled]

Thanks for the input Sara, it is soooo helpful to have you ladies alongside me!    I'll PD at 4 hr 35/40 tomorrow if he has a good night tonight.  Not sure how it will go tonight, though as he completely refused the CN today so A time after nap was 5 hr 40 . 

What a mysterious little boy he is....I am not sure why he refused it.  Started driving at 3 hr 20 and usually with a 1 hr ish nap he'd be asleep around 3 hr 35 (3:50).  Not today.  Rubbed his eyes constantly but wide awake, babbling and playing for 30 min.  Unforunately he then started crying and this progressed to screaming as every little bump on the road set him off to crying, now clearly OT.  Gave up at 4:45.  Tried to PD for bed as early as I could to still feed him dinner, nurse, etc.  Asleep 6:10.  Here's hoping for another night where he tacks on (and prep him for the 18 month sleep regression !).

[ZacsMumme]

Fwiw I never pd before 6 if we had a failed CN and Z usually did ok. Fx for a good night love

[Joy-filled]

Great night again  .  Super thrilled EBT is working as that makes life soooo much easier.  He's getting 13ish total hours of sleep which he hasn't had in sooooo long.  I'm so glad that suggestion was given! 

Unfortunately, not a great nap today, though.  I think now that he's catching up for lost sleep at night and isn't deeply OT he is much better able to handle the A times so I think that's why I can't seem to get an A time that results in a good nap.

WU 6:35 (12.25 hrs night sleep )
A 4 hr 40
S 11:20-12:15 (55 min) woke very content and happy and rocking didn't work.  Quite sure UT.

I'll try for a CN again today and hopefully he'll take it today.  I think he will as the nap was earlier and shorter today than yesterday.

Should I hold at 4 hr 40/45 for a couple days even though I'm certain it's not a high enough A time for him now that he's not OT?  Or should I bump it up?  I don't want to constantly change things and do it too quickly but when it's so clear he's UT (at least it seems clear to me ), I'm not sure I want to wait a few days as that could get us in an UT/OT cycle, iykwim?  What's better, keep things the same for a few days just to be consistent even though he'll more likely than not UT short nap or bump it again in the hopes that a longer A time will give him a good nap?

[ZacsMumme]

I would bump it a touch. Maybe add 10 mins
so happy ebt is working

[Joy-filled]

Sure, sounds like a plan then!  Thx  .

[ZacsMumme]

I assume your trying to resettle when he short naps

[Joy-filled]

Yes, always.  I try for a minimum of 15 min even if he is squirming and fighting me as sometimes he's done that (crying, arching his back, etc.) for 5-10 min but then fallen asleep.  If he isn't fighting me and is resting his head on my chest I keep rocking until he either falls or sleep or he stops and shows clear signs that he's done by playing and babbling, crying, trying to get out of my arms, etc. for at least a few min.

Another EBT today as CN was only 23 min.  Really not sure why he woke. Fell asleep in car without crying at 3 hr 30 A time and woke up after 23 min at 4:10 .  Oh well.  Aiming for 6:15 as I'm assuming he can't handle 2.5 hr A after a shorter CN.

[ZacsMumme]

Good luck Hun I would have done 2 hrs after a 25 min CN too x

[Eva's Mummy]

Just incase he doesn't go down well at BT. If i need a CN i do a 20 min one then 2.5hrs to BT and she goes down like a dream.

[Joy-filled]

This boy is a puzzle beyond all puzzles.  Gail, I think Aaron is like Eva and takes a 2.5 hr A time after a 20ish min nap as I PD at 2 hr last night but he didn't fall asleep until 2.5 hr (6:40).  He was definitely tired, though as he wanted to go into the crib, was yawning and rubbing his eyes and he spent that whole 1/2 hr in the crib trying very hard to fall asleep. 

Anyway, last night ended up being 6:40-6:20 with a few NWs making for an 11.25 hr night.  Not so great after a poor day yesterday. I didn't think it was so bad that he'd be OT again, however it seems it was based on how today has gone - hindsight is 20/20, right?  

WU 6:20 GU 6:40 (counting 1/2 time)
A 4 hr 45
S 11:15-11:45 (30 min) rocked and finally slept 12:05-12:32 (27 min )

We can't drive him around for a CN today as we are going to a wedding and DM is coming to babysit.  DM can't drive him around for the CN either.  So....I think we'll just try to keep the afternoon low key and try for a 6:00 BT, even though that will be a 5.5 hr A time with only 57 min of sleep.  Only other option is for DH to miss the ceremony and drive Aaron around but I think I'd prefer EBT so DH doesn't have to miss the wedding 

This boy's A times forever evade me.  I can never seem to nail it.  He seems constantly either UT or OT and it doesn't seem to take much for him to be one or the other.  Or maybe I'm reading him all wrong?  Just can't figure him out  .

[ZacsMumme]

Oh Hun, Hes a cheeky wee monkey some kids are really hard to work out aren't they.
Given he had NW maybe he was OT I found at this age Z seemed to cope better with OT but then he napped well...EW were our nemesis

I thought that after a bad night he was going to do a shorter A .. Oh and a thought. When he wakes at 30 are you rushing in or giving him a chance to settle?

[Joy-filled]

He regularly has 1-2 NWs that are 5-10 min long so that wasn't out of the ordinary.  The plan is to do a shorter A on a shorter night but I guess I thought 11.25 hrs wasn't a short night .  What would you say is a short night?  Or maybe I should go by total sleep time in the 24 hrs before?  He got 12.5 hrs total the night/day before...

I'll admit I kind of rush.  I give him a couple min but as soon as I see him (on the monitor) sit up and cry, I go in as I've learned that if I don't and wait then he gets too awake and it doesn't work to rock him back to sleep.  If he sits up and cries he doesn't settle himself.  The only time he will settle himself is if he only rolls over or repositions but stays lying down.  AS soon as he sits up, he won't fall back asleep on his own.  Am I rushing too much in your opinion, though?