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That awkward bit with 3-2
« on: September 03, 2013, 10:52:09 am »
My 6 month old is just in that awkward bit in the 3-2 transition where he's almost at 3 hours A time, is doing 11 hour nights so is either moving bedtime earlier and earlier by up to an hour each day til we start the day at 5ish, then we have 3 naps, a 14 hour day and we start again!  He's roughly doing the following:

WU: 6
E: 7ish
A: 3 hrs
S: 1hr 20-25

E: 11ish
A: 2hrs 50
S: 1hr 30.  Often awake at 3pmish

E: 3ish
A: 3ish hours takes us to a 6pm bedtime, which then leads to a 5 - 5.30am wakeup.

nf somewhere between 2 & 5 usually.

Should I just keep gently pushing his A times til we can do a 13 hour day without a massive A time at the end, or stick with a catnap every few days?  Will he get used to it if I keep pushing him anyway?  Is there a point where that stops happening?!  He often does 34-38 minute naps if his routine is off and I still haven't figured out what they mean.  It's like sometimes it's OT and other times UT so I find that hard as a pointer as to whether I've gone too far or not.  For example, if I push his first A, he'll do a 1.5 hour nap but will be grumpy after it, like he's still tired, and then will do a 34-38 minute nap.  Does that mean he was OT from pushing him from his first nap or UT cos the extra 5-10 minutes sleep on his first nap refreshed him more than usual?!

Can you tell I'm overthinking it?!  This is why I wonder if he'd just catch up eventually and whether I'm actually confusing things by APing the cat nap now and I should accept a few short naps and push through anyway?

ETA:  I should add that he's been quite grumpy during the day for a few days now after having some big A times before bed.  We're also getting the occasional wake up around 9pm which I know means he's got background OT building up. I'm just not sure whether to keep pushing him through it or not?
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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2013, 14:09:59 pm »
It's so frustrating isn't it?! We're on 3 naps today cos he's done 2 x 1hr 20-25 naps so not gotten us quite far enough to do ebt.  He'll want his nap some time between 5 & 5.30, which is when I pick my daughter up from preschool and that means a late bedtime and I'm going out tonight.  He's being very inconvenient today!  ;)



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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2013, 18:45:50 pm »
I am in the EXACT situation a well. My DS will be 7 mo next week and things haven't gotten any better. I hate I can't give you any advice, but know you're not alone. I've tried numerous things to try and get past this 3-2 transition, but each day is different nap lengths (usually 25-35 minutes) and different A times, ugh. It's hard to deal with when DS used to have a great, predictable EASY and 2 hour naps. It's been chaos.

At least us moms are all going through this so we know we aren't crazy :)

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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2013, 20:12:32 pm »
Have you read this
All about the 3-2 transition- 5/6 months

I definitely APed CNs for both LOs towards the end of them needing them.  It was really the only way to get them down. You can also cap your CN if you want - just give him 20 minutes and see how that goes.  You can cap again to ten minutes, if you want to try that. 

There will come a point when you'll just have to push him through on two naps so he gets used to it, but I can tell you don't feel like doing that yet.  If you think he's building OT, then perhaps hold steady where you are for a few days.  It is a transition process so it can be a bit slow.  I found there was a 'magic hour' around 3.30 and when they got to, or near, that point with their naps then they managed on two naps just fine.

You should probably hold each A time increase for a few days anyway, just so he can adjust to it. I may be wrong but reading your post I get the sense you're sliding the A times up a bit each day.

Another important point is... remember to breathe and to enjoy your baby!  Naps are important but not the be all and end all.  ;)

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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2013, 05:23:45 am »
Thank you! I'll carry on APing a cat nap for a bit then I think.  I'm already capping it to 15 minutes but not always sure what his A time before bed should be after such a short nap? And I'm pretty sure we get EWs and/or long NWs if he catnaps but I guess they'll pass as we move properly onto 2 naps.

I have been holding each A time increase for an few days but even so he's gone from 2 to 3 hours A time in a month so it feels like a quick increase to me! I'll stick where we are for a bit longer I think unless UT naps start returning. I still can't figure out those short naps,  though we've not had any more nws at 9pm so I think a day of 3 naps has sorted that.

And yes,  breathe!  I'm actually ok with how this transition is going - I know they're messy - but I do tend to drive myself mad trying to figure out whether he's UT or OT all the time!



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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2013, 19:03:41 pm »
How's your LO doing now with the transition?
Did you get past the EW yet?

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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2013, 18:19:22 pm »
Yeah, really well.  We seem to be properly through it now and his nights lengthened once I took the plunge and pushed him to bedtime a bit. He's generally doing 2 longish naps now (1hr 20 - 1hr 40) and a 12 hour night.  If he has a short nap now we get away with an early night so haven't had to do 3 naps for a while now. I think he could do with another slight A time push actually but we're away at the moment so I'm leaving it til we get home :)



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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2013, 18:32:14 pm »
That's fantastic to hear!!!
Enjoy your time away :)

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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2013, 18:34:32 pm »
Thank you! How are you getting on?



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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2013, 22:24:40 pm »
Horrible....
I feel like I'm back to having a newborn again and am completely clueless and he has no routine at the moment. In an unbelievable OT nightmare and we can't get out.

Be glad you got there! Hopefully I can say the same eventually! Or looks like ill be doing this battle until the 2-1 starts ;)

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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2013, 08:23:35 am »
Oh no! Sorry to hear you're stuck in OT land.  It's horrid :( Hopefully you'll be through it soon.  I found We had a lot of UT/OT going on during the 3-2 and it's really confusing and frustrating.  In fact we may be heading back there at the moment cos of course since I posted that we were doing well we've had some rough nights,  including a 2hr nw last night!  I think he needs an A time increase but he had a very late night on Friday (hideous journey to the in laws) so has background OT too.  But we're away at the moment and he's cutting a tooth so I'm just having to grin and bear it!

Nothing lasts for long - good or bad!



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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2013, 11:11:08 am »
'Horrid' is saying it nicely ;)

I sure hope that was a one off situation for you and you'll be back on track once you all get home and back to normal! I always notice that when I post improvements on here, we take 10 steps backwards, ha!

I'm just trying to let him sleep in as late as he needs and put him down for a nap anytime I see an eye rub or fuss so we can get out of this mess.

Sometime grin and bear it is our only option :)
I hope you're enjoying yourself on your trip!!

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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2013, 14:22:43 pm »
You'll get there,  even if it feels like you never will!  Whenever we have a bad day I remind myself that it's often the truly awful days which reset him and he just crashes one night and starts sorting himself out.  We've had a bad nap day today but cos we're away we took advantage of it,  let him sleep in the car and went out for lunch.  Very nice! He's remarkably chirpy on the 2 short naps he's had today so it's actually been nice giving up on naps for today!  Will your lo sleep when you're out and about?  That can help catch up on OT if so and it'll be good for you not to be struggling with naps all day.

Hope you're out of it soon. ...



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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2013, 15:04:37 pm »
You're very sweet; thank for the encouragement!!
It's been rough for a month now and this OTness has been out of control for days now :(
I feel so defeated but I'm doing my best to remember that we WILL get through it...eventually.

Unfortunately, he won't nap out and about. If I'm lucky he will fall asleep in his carseat on a rare occasion but never when we are out somewhere. He has to have white noise, no distractions and pitch black room! He's a sprited/touchy little booger for sure! He gets way OS and OT so easily and as you can see it spirals quite quickly.

I feel like a have a newborn again and am clueless on A times, naps, feeds, all of it haha!!

So glad to hear you're having a good time and were able to go out for lunch and enjoy your family :)
It gives me hope!!! I'm going to visit my Dad for a few days with DS so I'm hoping the change of scenery will do us both some good!!

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Re: That awkward bit with 3-2
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2013, 07:37:49 am »
Yes, I'm sure a change of scenery will help. A change is as good as a rest and all that!

Your LO sounds just like my two. If there was a chance we'd get a decent nap in the buggy or car I'd do it but the most we get is 30 minutes and it's not restful at all. I'd have loved to have had a buggy sleeper but jack needs dark and white noise too or he just can't switch off.  We travelled at night for the first time with him on Friday and he went to sleep ok, slept an hour then started crying every 5 minutes for 2 hours cos the streetlights were annoying him.  In the end we clicked and put a blackout over his car seat and he slept ok until we hit roundabouts and then eventually we got on a straight dark road and he slept fine!  I thought babies were meant to love the car!  It sure makes APing hard work!