Help me and my 11 mth old get back on track

[ZacsMumme]

T has been sick for the last few weeks - and because of this has been sleeping erratically, ie more, less, later in am, EW, NW
He has also been feeding/eating erratically as he lost he appetite, wouldn't feed etc.

So...he's coming right now and is on antibiotics. I have no idea what to head towards. I think he is UT at BT though.

Yesterday's EAS was this
WU 6.40
A 3.5
Nap 10.10-11.27 1 hr15/20 ( I think this is UT)
A 3.5
Nap 3-3.50
A 3.5
BT 7.20 - seemed asleep but 15 mins lat cried and wouldn't settle till 7.15!
We then had 2 gross NW where he was just unsettled in arms and bed. 11-12 and 5-5.30
WU 7

As far as E goes he has 3 meals but his bottle feeds a all over the lace as he won't drink much and is getting constipated.

Thoughts? - I was going to give the first A a push to 4 hrs, second the same but cap nap at 30 mins.
No idea about A to BT though 2.5?

Tia

[Ima shel Alon]

Thoughts? - I was going to give the first A a push to 4 hrs, second the same but cap nap at 30 mins.
No idea about A to BT though  2.5?

Sara, that would be my way forward as well.
If BT is becoming harder with such a short A time or there are still UT NW at night then I would try and cap the CN even more than 30min. Z went from 2 to 1 nap quite early, no? Maybe I remember wrong... but maybe that's what T needs?

[ZacsMumme]

Thanks Hun, yes Z was on 1 long nap by now, but they presented their needs differently. z was easy, he just chatted in or refused his nap if UT, and EW happy! T is more of a BT resistance and NW kinda guy in fairness to T he has had a rough road.

Yesterday was
WU 7
Nap 10.45-12.25 ( ss. not bad)
CN 4.20-4.50 ( I woke but had to ap. went for 4pm but the stupid cat went in and interested him settling!)
BT 7.40 - tried at 7.05 but this was getting him back in the cot at BT. Because he has been ill we've ended up back at BT holding WU 6.15 out of cot 6.25 ish.

So today ill take it from 6.30 and see if I can get him to 10.30.

[ZacsMumme]

Ok so...
Nap 10.25 1hr15/20
CN 3.35/40-4.15 35 mins (DH did I was at hairdresser )
BT 6.40 but it's 7.05 and I'm not sure if he's asleep...

What do u think? I worry the am nap is OT, but then it's a typical UT nap for him YK? He IS teething and I didn't medicate before (forgot) so it could just be that too

As far as E goes, what should I be aiming for bottle wise if he has 3 meals a day?

[babybarr]

What happened to trying set naps ?

[ZacsMumme]

Tom got sick hence being way off track. (and Zac and DH and I )
I kind of was sticking with the set am nap at 10.30 which gave a good nap, then a nap around 3-4 as he was tired while sick. But now he is better he was fighting BT etc.

Plus because of this bug, I went back to rocking him to sleep (ugh why do I do this!) and now he's fine for naps, but BT we have had to re-ST

I guess I'm thinking he is very close to 1 nap, but because of the early mornings ATM, I can't get him close to 1 nap

[Ima shel Alon]

Sara, he's really not waking that early... It seems like he is sleeping 11h a night, which is good.
Alon always woke up at 6AM and BT was 19, I think T is doing all right. What do you think?
I also don't think that 4h is a lot at this age and might be not enough for him. I would give him a few more days on the 4h A time in the morning and then push it to 4:15.
When we went through the 2-1 transition I set the PM nap at 16. I anyway wanted it a short nap so he didn't need a full A time and then there was a bit more A time before BT (for us 2.5h after waking at 16:30-16:45 was enough).
So the morning nap was the only one I played with, kept pushing when I though the naps was UT - for us that was anything under 1.5h. At some point there was not much A time at all between waking up from the AM nap and 16 and I just dropped the PM nap, pushed the AM nap a bit more and we were on one nap. We had a few days that were OT but he got passed it. When we were on one nap then everything under 1.5h nap became OT and not UT anymore.

Re bottles I really don't remember what we did, but I will ask someone to have a look .

[ZacsMumme]

Thanks Noa.
So he woke a lot last night stirred more than really woke.i guessing from the BT antics?  Only put in when he needed us.
BT 7.30 (he took ages!)
NW 10 DH 1 min. Teething gel and laid down
NW 1 feed (I know. Working on this!) 5 mins though
WU 6.20 out of cot now at 6.30

So ill go for 4 hrs again.
Our prob with set pm nap is I can't do 4 on mon or thurs. it's when I PU Z. Will have to make it 4.15 or 3.20-30 to fit in.

We're going to try a longer A to bt tonight, or Should I try capping CN at 20

[Ima shel Alon]

Will have to make it 4.15 or 3.20-30 to fit in.

If it's PM you are talking about then I would go for the shorter A, otherwise you'll have such a short A time before BT, no?
He only woke twice at night, right? Or there were more NW besides those you mentioned? Maybe it's teething?

We're going to try a longer A to bt tonight, or Should I try capping CN at 20

Out of past experience (forget about other things that are happening right now), what kind of baby is he? Is he doing better with a full A time before BT or a short one?
Pushing BT later will make him WU later in the morning, no? But you will have the same problem tomorrow, you'll need to push BT again if you want a long enough A time before BT, no? That's why I am thinking that having enough A time before BT by playing with the second nap is more realistic.

[ZacsMumme]

He is teething. I hope your right and that's the cause - I'm so tired!

Yes sorry, thats 3.20pm. He may fight a CN that early, but ill give it a shot. Happy to ap the pm one if I need to. H settles well on his own for his am one.

I was thinking either longer A to Bt (try to pd later as he is fighting us for 30-60 mins before he settles) or shorter CN with Same 2 hr A to Bt. But I think your idea of earlier CN may help the day fit better ie
Nap 10.30-12
CN 3.30-4
Bt 7

What we were doing was (a time example)
Nap 10.30-12
CN 4.15-4.45 (he will self settle at this time)
CN 6.45/7 but DH thinks he is UT at pd, then fights and gets OT. he is prob right!

He doesn't give tired signs often so he's hard to 'follow'

[Emami]

Jumping in for the bottle question!  At 11 months we were doing 3 bottles (6oz, 6oz, 8oz) and 3 meals.  On 2 nap days it would go:
WU 6oz
Breakfast
Nap
Lunch
6oz
Nap
Dinner
BT 8oz

Is T doing ok with solids?  I know he's had a lot of issues so don't know if he still needs more formula, but this is what worked for us at that age.  Hope that helps!

[ZacsMumme]

Thanks Hun. I think this is what we were doing prior to him getting sick. Then his intake just dropped to like 3oz
Today I finally got him to have a good morning feed. Before breakfast though.

We have a long am nap so does this look ok for 3 bottles? * is where I'm not sure of order?
WU 6.30
Bottle 7
Solids 7.30/8 he hovers breakie
Nap 10.30-12/12.30 working on this becoming 1 long later nap.
*lunch 12.45
* bottle 1.30/2
CN 3.30ish for 20-30 mins
Dinner 5
BT bottle between 6.30-7

Yes he eats well now, I just have to be careful what he eats

[ZacsMumme]

So far...
WU 6.20 out of cot 6.30
Nap 10.30-12 (but stirred at 50 mins with a cry out) Teeth or UT/OT?
Will try for 3.30 CN and BT 6.45/7 x

[Emami]

I think the order of lunch / bottle you have is fine.  This is the way I did it too because if I did bottle first she was too full for lunch, but with lunch first she would still take the bottle.  On one nap it was more like snack and bottle before nap, and snack on WU because the nap started out being too early in the day to get a full lunch in.
Hope the rest of your day goes well!

[ZacsMumme]

ok so he won't take an UT nap at 3.30
DH managed to APOP 3.50-4.15 he was def tired at BT of 6.50 (I'd say OT even because he couldn't settle at 6.40 but wanted too YK)

But evening is rough. Lots of crying every 30-45 mins or so but not fully awake. At first I thought OT, but now I'm convinced its his top side tooth about to pop through. Teething gel makes him settle right back down quick and I've just given Pamol on top of his brufen (staggered) so fx he will stay asleep