We need help...12 mths

[ZacsMumme]

Lol mama_c T was like this from the moment I woke him from the CN
So here is what happened.
BT 7.20 wi/WO till 8.00 ish.
NW 11 settled himself
WU 7.15

I'm quite happy with his night considering. But when to go for the nap. I may have to do wi/WO for it too...

4 hrs or 4hrs15 (he was on 4.5 before getting sick and close to needing an increase then)

[ZacsMumme]

Eeek not sure when to pd. I think I'll go for 4hrs15 aftr such a good night. He is. Happy ATM and I don't want him to it if I have to do wi/WO

[Joy-filled]

How did it go? Fwiw I would have done 4 hr 15 too.

[ZacsMumme]

Hey char well I actually went for 4.20 because he did a poop at 4hrs13 or so but I'm really proud of him. He SS within a few mins so nap has been 11.40 or so (prob before that but that is when I checked and he was asleep)
It isn't ow 1.20 and I suspect he will wake soon.

So 6 pm BT?

[Joy-filled]

Way to go T for SSing!!  (And way to go mummy for doing such a good job of STing T in the past  - he can do this!).  So nap was 11:40-1:20?  If I were you, I'd aim for 10 hr of total A time in the day so I'd do BT 4 hr 40 from nap WU - so if he woke at 1:20 I'd do 6 pm.  If he wakes later than 1:20 I'd do 4 hr 40 from WU.  Fx night goes well for you!

[ZacsMumme]

Nope he is still asleep....I thought he would wake soon when I posted. Sitting here with waiting for him to wake now
Thanks char, I'll go for 4hrs40 (should I pd at 4.30 to given I'm a chance to settle as I imagine BT could be another battle)

[Joy-filled]

When he isn't OT or sick how many hrs of sleep does he average in a 24 hr period?  Since he's probably going to be caught up after a great night and nap now and is likely no longer OT  then I'd aim for a total A time of 24 hrs minus the average # of hrs he gets.  So, if he averages 14 hrs of sleep in a 24 hr period, I'd aim for a total A time of 10 hrs that day - which today would be 4 hr 40 since morning A was 4 hr 20.  Does that make sense? But again, that's just what I'd do as that's what seems to make the most sense to me.  Feel free to disregard .

And, if he usually takes 10 min to fall asleep for BT then yes I'd PD 10 min earlier than the A time you're going for.

[Joy-filled]

I realized in the middle of the night last night when A woke up crying and I couldn't fall back asleep  what I wrote doesn't make sense and my foggy brain apparently isn't good at math .  On 1 nap days I'd aim for less total A time than he typically needs and on 2 nap days a bit more.  So if he typically sleeps 14 total hrs perhaps on 1 nap days aim for 9.5 hrs total A time if he had a good night and on 2 naps days 10.5 hrs total A time if he had a good night?  Does that make more sense now?

How did the day/night end up going?

[ZacsMumme]

We had a great night! So yesterday ended up
WU 7.15
A 4hrs25 (in cot at 4hrs20) Nap 11.40-21.55/2
A 4 hrs 45
BT 6.45 ish
STTN
WU 6.50 out of cot 7 (I woke to him quietly chatting so odours have woken earlier.)

- so look so Ike just under 9.5 hrs total A ...

Should I stick with this or push that first A to 4.5 he was on 4.5 3 wks ago and was close to needing a bump then...

[Joy-filled]

Wow, that is fantastic!  After all that great sleep I too would start to worry a bit that he'd start to get UT and perhaps need a bump to keep the great sleep going, but maybe this is a good A time fit for him for right now.  If it was me I think I'd stick to the same A times until he showed signs again of UTness but what does your gut say? 

[ZacsMumme]

I want to stick with it. But, I also know that were on the cusp of not needing the CN, so getting it is super difficult. If I do say 11.30 and he naps till just before 1 I have to squeeze a CN in, but it's really tough. The day would be like this I guess
WU 7
Nap 11.30-12.50 (say if he doesn't do 2 hrs)
CN 4.50-5.10 (any longer and I think he will fight to closer to to 3 hrs)
BT 7.30

[Joy-filled]

As you know, I totally hear your desire to move past the CN  .  It is such a hassle with some LOs who resist it!

Can you remind me - you can't do short am long pm because of Z, right?  If that's the case and you think you should stick with the same A's then as far as I can see your plan looks good.  Hopefully T will keep giving some good naps, though so you don't need the CN (fx for you!).

[Mama_Mia]

could you try to go without the cn as long as he naps until 1pm then go for a 5:45-6 BT or is that too much A time in the afternoon?

[ZacsMumme]

Char, if he isn't tired he won't go down, so CN would still be at 11.30-12 then nap at like 2.30-4 so BT would end up 8/8.30 plus he often short naps for both. I do short am CN in car if he is tired he drifts off  as 3 hrs. Only happens when he is teething though

MC - this is what I was doing but we got the mult NW. I'm tempted to push through the OT though, what do you think?

[ZacsMumme]

Gross. Pd at 11.20 settled around 11.30/35 Woke at 40 mins and I rocked back down. I 'think' this  is a tooth though, the top right is erupting ATM. He didn't seem OT...could be UT. Anyway will see how much longer he stays down!