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An incentive to bf!
« on: November 12, 2013, 07:50:34 am »
http://news.sky.com/story/1167229/breastfeeding-new-mums-to-get-shop-vouchers

Do you think they'll back date them?  Three lots of them could go a long way towards my Christmas shopping!

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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2013, 08:02:03 am »
That's a really sad statistic that only 1% off babies are EBF at 6 months.

But yes let's get those back dated vouchers!!  That would help my Christmas shopping along rightly!!!





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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2013, 08:26:31 am »
Interesting idea but what is to stop people saying they are BFing when they have really stopped? I can see a lot of people who don't deserve this getting these vouchers. And it says it is for babies who are still getting BM not those who are exclusively fed even if mum is honest about it a baby could be getting minimal breast milk and be getting formula the rest of the time and mum is getting £200 of vouchers! That won't change the 1% of EBF babies at 6mo. I don't think it is going to be worth the money tbh. IMO this money could be better spent on educating the community including how and HVs about the practicalities of BFing so mums aren't giving up because they are needlessly worrying about not making enough milk or baby sttn etc. Plus I feel sorry for the mamas who do have to give up BFing for unavoidable reasons  :-\

I would have loved the vouchers though ;)
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2013, 08:53:06 am »
IMO this money could be better spent on educating the community including how and HVs about the practicalities of BFing so mums aren't giving up because they are needlessly worrying about not making enough milk or baby sttn etc. Plus I feel sorry for the mamas who do have to give up BFing for unavoidable reasons 

Couldn't agree more, Ali. Much as I would have loved the vouchers, it would be rubbing things in the face of my friends who tried so hard to breastfeed and couldn't. No practical support is available near me, or wasn't when DS was a baby, and the only reason that I managed to feed him was that I had a friend who knew loads about breastfeeding having tried so hard to do it herself.

I was so angry when I heard about this. Strong opinions here! The government should be helping new mums if they have this amount of money to 'spare', not increasing their chances of feeling guilty. Grrr.
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2013, 08:55:25 am »
Hmm, though the vouchers would have been great (;D) I'm not sure about this as a concept.  I'm all for promoting breastfeeding but as Ali says I can't help feeling the money could be better spent on proper support and education.  Like funding some extra LCs, or educating HVs/midwives, or just getting the correct information out there and easily available.  I don't like the message this gives to Mums who choose for very good reasons not to breastfeed, or those who can't for medical reasons.  Plus what happened to choice?  Feels like a bit of a slippery slope.......

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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2013, 09:13:52 am »
What has it come to, paying people to breastfeed? I think the whole concept is crazy! And unfair on those that just cant bf.

And like pp said, how will they know that baby has been ebf until 6 months?

Bf'ing is very personal, imo involving money makes it so inpersonal.

Idk. Crazy.
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2013, 09:21:24 am »
Reminds me of the Health in Pregnancy grants they gave out to everyone when I was pg with Cadan.  You got £180 just for attending your regular midwife appointments.  I'm guessing it didn't work so well as it had been stopped by the time I was pg with Colby 2yrs later.
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2013, 09:29:35 am »
Oh as an idea I think its rubbish. I don't think it'll do anything to encourage BFing rates. Money would be far better off being spent on BFing support for people who want to BF and struggle.





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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2013, 09:52:59 am »
Agree that it would be better spent on providing support. The statistics are very shocking but is the figure so low because people generally still wean onto solids before 6mos despite the guidance?I doubt we'll get to 6mos with G so she won't be in that statistic because I've been advised to start solids early to help the reflux.





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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2013, 10:00:11 am »
Totally agree. I struggled through a week of Bf'ing with O but we couldn't continue as he was tongue tied, so I would be exempt from financial reward?! Yet this time we're still going so I would have some reward yet, as Nicola said, he's now on solids too so I wouldn't get it all?! Ridiculous. How can it possibly be policed?

Breastfeeding isn't always about choice, as we all know.

I also don't think people need to be made to feel that they are doing wrong for formula feeding either, whether that's through choice or not.

Vouchers would be nice though! ;)
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2013, 10:03:20 am »
On the local LLL Fb group I'm on someone posted a pic of a certificate their SIL in a different part of the country had been given from their HV I think congratulating them on BFing until certain points. I thought that was lovely. I mean first and foremost I BF for my babies and for me but a little bit of recognition is nice too!




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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2013, 10:29:16 am »
Cath it isn't for exclusive BFing it is for the baby still receiving breast milk so although the nhs and WHO want to discourage solids before 6mo that would not negate the voucher.
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2013, 10:56:56 am »
Well I still think its ridiculous.
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2013, 11:21:07 am »
I agree, Catherine! Absolutely ridiculous.

I couldn't breastfeed for medical reasons and am fine with that, but so sick of hearing 'breast is best' and now this! Apparently it is so much better than bottle feeding that the latter was only discussed in my antenatal class (entitled 'feeding your baby', huh!?) and the specialist I saw tried to convince me to breastfeed my baby when I was on imunosuppressants as minimal research suggest it is fine and LJ could have weekly blood tests. Just what you want to put your newborn through! Grrr! Rant over :) xxx



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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2013, 12:13:20 pm »
Well I still think its ridiculous.

I agree Cath. And to be brutally honest, 200 quid was not going to be enough to "entice" me to breast feed once I had decided to formula feed. They truly insult the intelligence and capabilities of women, don't they?  I find it also a bit of a dig at lower income families as well, suggesting that the low bf rates are in lower income families and I do think that is a bit much in generalising!

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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2013, 12:16:40 pm »
It is a stupid idea. I agree, more money should be spent on supporting those women who choose to breastfeed plus it will make FF Mum's feel more guilty and 'divide' the Mums further IMO.
I also wonder about the statistics. I was in the minority as a FF Mum not the other way round!

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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2013, 12:39:13 pm »
I agree it is ridiculous.

I think the stats are pretty reliable actually because the data should be taken at every check a baby has in the uk and it is a requirement if PCTs to collect this data. If anything I think the stats would be wrong the other way around. I.e. People are more likely to say they are breastfeeding when they aren't than to say they are not if they are, yk?
http://www.nice.org.uk/usingguidance/commissioningguides/breastfeed/commissioning.jsp
Maternal age, educational attainment and socio-economic position have a strong impact on patterns of infant feeding. So younger, uneducated women with a low income are more likely to FF than older, educated women with a higher income. That is just what the stats show.

Maybe you were in an area where BFing rates are a bit better RM? I don't imagine Hampshire is at the bottom of the Bf table anyway ;) .

I think it is silly to be giving a mum whose family earns £100k who would have BF anyway £200 worth of vouchers. I sure hope the retailers are donating the vouchers to some extent and it isn't just being paid for with people's taxes.
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2013, 09:08:50 am »
Perhaps you are right but there are plenty of low income families in my town. Regardless, the money would be better spent supporting women not giving them vouchers.

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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2013, 09:22:28 am »
I agree it is ridiculous!
And an offense to the mums that could not bf. And also to the mums that bf, like the only reason you give your child bm is to receive money! I agree, it makes a personal choice so impersonal.

I also wonder about statistics. Here the majority of mums that I know actually bf, but probably the majority do not ebf until 6 mo. The tendency here is ebf until 3-4 mo, then introducing formula for some feeds (working mums have full-paid maternity leave until 3-4 mo so having formula in some feeds is easier) or fruit. But until 3-4 mo the majority of mums here are definitely ebf and continue to bf even it not exclusively after.
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2013, 09:41:16 am »
The stats quoted in the article are just for the UK. BFing rates in Italy are much higher and among the highest in Europe.
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2013, 12:58:34 pm »
Really? I didn't know it. Thanks.
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2013, 13:09:44 pm »
how ridiculous.

Remind sme a bit about an over-used law here. Here every mum on going back to work has 5 hrs paid free per week for breastfeeding if they are breastfeeding. It was either 2 half hour pump breaks (on top of lunch) per day or arrive at work 1 hr early or leave one hour later.

All I had to do to get it was have a letter from my gynaecologist for my HR manager to prove I am lactating.
I had this hour off (was great mainly as I could go home for a later afternoon feed, bedtime feed and then do my paperwork and prep for school once baby or baby plus toddler were in bed...didn't actually give me 5 hrs off, just I could leave the building).

Anyway, plenty of my non bf friends jumped on the bandwagon and also took the time off, cheated the system and even with 2 yr olds, still got the letters from their doctors!?! Really got me peed off at the time as once my kids were old enough not to need the feeds during the day (I had 16 weeks and 22 weeks mat leave) I didn't overuse the labour law....anyway, this to me was a big thing when going back to work ft as a bfing mum. Vouchers? Don't think it would change things too much in UK or in my native Ireland which has some of the worst bfing uptake stats in the world (around 50% of mums don't try to bf at all, babies go straight to formula).

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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2013, 21:34:26 pm »
Agreeing that money would be better spent on support and education.  HVs and MWs in the UK (in my experience) are woefully inadequate in providing any sort of BF support (of course, there are some notable exceptions!)  Their only requirement is the short (is it one day or one hour? I can't remember) UNICEF BF course which provides the absolute bear minimum in terms of education, whereas and ABM BFC takes around 1-2 years part-time to complete a multiple unit course covering the biology of the breast and lactation, effects on baby, effects on mum, possible things that can be hurdles to BF etc etc etc.

If the average HV and MW had half as much information imparted, they would be in a better position from the word 'go' to support and advise women on BF.  I don't know what the stats are, but it does seem that a lot of women stop BF before they even leave the hospital because of poor support and the offer of formula (or insistence that LO should have it) - and these are often women who have been keen to feed.

Others further fall away when baby has "lost too much weight" and "needs supplementation with formula" rather than support being given on how to increase milk supply, latch, frequency of feeding, positioning and help to stop any pain (identification of TTs, etc).

Community based support groups are amazing and a fantastic resource and I have a huge amount of respect for those running them (my friend included), but they are sometimes underutilised by MWs and HVs.  So mum has an issue and instead of referring to the local experts, they try to 'fix' it themselves, but don't have the relevant experience. 

Urgh.  It all makes me so sad that there are women out there who have been desperate to BF and then end up reluctantly switching to formula and feeling guilty about their decision as it's not what they actually wanted to do.  This scheme isn't going to fix that.  :(
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2013, 08:39:50 am »
Well said, Amanda. I think you summed it up perfectly.
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Re: An incentive to bf!
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2013, 19:18:39 pm »
Thanks, I'll get off my soapbox now ;)
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