2 to 1 transition routine help needed

[Violet's mom]

Hi!  Violet was doing really well for a few months thanks to all of your help!

She has had EW for about 3 weeks now and I've been trying the short am/long pm nap and it's been all over the place.  Her wake up for the day runs anywhere between 5 and 5:30.  She has always been an early riser which is fine with me when it's after 6 am.  I'm tempted to do an ebt but she is never tired at night - when I out her down she goes down very easy and is very happy from afternoon nap wAkeup to bedtime no matter when she wakes from her nap.  She recently started STTN also and has dramatically increased her solid intake.  Developmentally she is starting to walk and possibly getting top two teeth?

Typically this is what I aim for:

WU 5:30am - plays in crib happily
6:15 get her and BF (not starving at this time - barely eats and wants to play)
7:30am BF
8am breakfast
9:30am - 10:30am nap (sometimes earlier if she is showing strong tired signs)
11:30 BF
12:15 lunch
2:00 or 2:30 nap 2 (she can sleep all night at this point - I wake her after 2 hrs - should this be less?)
4:15 WU (at the latest) and BF
5:15 dinner (this is when DH gets home and she really enjoys her dinner with him - it takes her about an hour to eat!)
6:15 bath
6:45 bedtime routine and final BF (doesn't take much at this feeding)
Asleep by 7/7:15.

I know it's a long day for her and her nights are way too short.  I haven't tried ebt because she is not even tired until I start her bedtime routine at 6:45.  And poor DH would never see her!  But if you recommend it I will give it a try this week - thanks for any suggestions!

***update - put her to bed early tonight (6:30pm) and she woke up after 45 mins - hasn't happened in a long time - she resettled after a couple of moans and some moving around...  Usually when bedtime is at 7 she doesn't wake at all...  She did a 1.5 hr am nap and a 45 min pm nap (woke at 3:45pm).

[Ima shel Alon]

When was WU this morning after the EBT?
If it worked well for you then I would continue with the EBT.

EBT always need some time to work, but if you don't think that it will help you then I would rather play around with the naps. I would shorten one of them (the one that you want to be shorter) to 45min and allow the longer nap to be 1.5h, not more than that. And see if that helps

Good luck!

[Violet's mom]

Today she got up at 12am, 1:15am, and 4:55am for good so ebt didn't seem to help - she used to respond immediately when she was younger but not anymore...  Ok I will try the nap thing.  Today is shot because DH put her down for a nap at 6:40 (I went back to bed at 6 and he took over)... But I'll go to bed early and start tomorrow.  Thanks for the response!

[Ima shel Alon]

Let me know how it's going

[Violet's mom]

Going strangely haha. 

She woke at 7:40am
Seemed tired around 11am but refused nap
Just put her down at 12:50pm
Not sure what to do about the rest of the day?  Let her take as long as she wants and do a normal bedtime of 7pm?  Or cap this nap and do an early bedtime?  I figure the longest she'll sleep is til 2:45ish

[Ima shel Alon]

Don't know what you did in the end but I would have let her have a full nap and a normal BT.

[Violet's mom]

Yeah I did.  She stayed up pretty good even though it was almost 4.5 hr - took her to grammie's so she could have a little change in scenery and it helped.  Today she woke around 5:15am so I just put her down to nap at 8:45am (was very tired) which was earlier than I wanted but I will wake her after 45 mins and try for 1.5 hr later today around 1pm.

Thanks for your help.  No night wakings last night so she must respond well to a 7pm bedtime.

[Violet's mom]

Today went as follows:
5:15am wakeup
8:40am-9:25am nap
1:30 - 3:10 nap
7pm bed.

Thanks for your help - she was actually relatively pleasant except for a little bit around 4:30pm (probably hunger related).
We will see if there's any improvement tomorrow am - I will keep at it for a few days and hope for the best!

[Violet's mom]

Still a 5:15. Am wake up today...

[Ima shel Alon]

Is it every day at 5:15? That sounds like it might be habitual. Will you try W2S?

[Violet's mom]

Is she too old for it?  I'll try anything!  Is there a chance it'll make her start waking earlier?

[Ima shel Alon]

I don't think so, but if you are too concerned then don't do it. I don't want you to stress over this. We can try and continue tweaking the A times and naps.
I would try and push the first A time by 10-15min and see if it helps. Often the 1st A time is connected to EW. At the same time keep 1 nap at 45min and the other at 1.5 like we talked before.
If after 4 days - a week there is no change, V is still content and doesn't see OT then I would keep pushing A time (perhaps as well before the 2nd nap) by 10 minutes.

[Violet's mom]

Ok well today it is 9:30am and she still hasn't shown any sleepy signs.  I'm going to try to put her down for a nap soon.  She's almost 10 months now (by due date she is 10 months - she was late) so I'm wondering if she might be one of those rare babies who head early to one nap.

[Ima shel Alon]

Alon was also on the early side of being on one nap, but it still took a bit of time. Bu 1y he was already on one nap.
If you think this is the case with Violet then I would work on shortening the first nap and at the same time pushing the second nap to the middle of the day. It will take you a little while to do that because if you just put her on one nap then she is going to be very Ot for a long long time.

[Violet's mom]

Yeah she had a very OT day yesterday.  She was waking 30 min into both naps but resettled luckily.  Her night sleep changed though - she woke at 5:15 like normal and tried putting herself back to sleep - I went in around 6 because she started crying and nursed her and she fell back asleep until 7.  Put her down for a nap at 10:15 (not sure about a time since she was awake for almost an hour) which was not easy.  She was in a much better mood this morning.  I will wake her at 11 and should the next nap be 2:30 - 4pm?  Or earlier since she only had a 45 min nap?  I'll check her sleepy signs and try to figure it out - when she is OT (like yesterday) she doesn't show sleepy signs ever - I probably should've known that for yesterday.

Thanks for your help!