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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2014, 07:30:02 am »
probably about 5.15am. She has all her teeth. what do I do? I can't do a NND today can I? Grim.




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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2014, 12:15:38 pm »
does anyone have any idea what I should do today?
maybe i need to start a new thread to see if anyone else has been through this with 1-0...if that is what it is!




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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2014, 12:42:58 pm »
I started a post and it has gone!

Is your gut still NND?  Is she able to go on till bt without a nap?  It is almost 1pm there.  Do you want to let her just do CN for 30 mins? 



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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2014, 12:45:01 pm »
I would have no idea what time to do bed on a 30 min nap, that't the problem and she has been up since 5.15am. I don't know????




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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2014, 13:17:45 pm »
ok so I guess I have a couple of options.
1. stick with 1.15-2.45pm nap with 7.15pm BT and hope this is some weird phase.
2. cut nap to 1 hour from 1.45-2.45pm and assume this is 1-0 stuff. (cutting to 1.15 did not help)
2. do 1-2 NND's a week....then allow a longer nap on the other days.

I have a 2.45pm cap for the nap whatever I do due to school pick up otherwise I would probably just move nap to 2-3.30pm with later BT.

what do you think?




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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2014, 17:41:02 pm »
Hi :)

Colby couldn't cope with a 1.5-2hr nap every day and do a decent night. Three days a week (Mon, We'd, Sat) when I do my playgroup and the boys have swimming lessons he has a no nap day. The other 4 days he has a nap around 1pm for 1.5hr, often 2hrs if I am lazy to wake him or Cadan and I are caught up doing something. He goes to bed at 7pm and is pretty much straight out on no nap days but on days he has napped he doesn't fall asleep until 7.45 or 8pm. That probably sounds mean but I have to put the boys to bed together at 7 or Cadan won't get to bed early enough. He just lays in bed and calls me back for water or to be tucked in again a few times normally. He never gets upset because he is UT, just takes longer to fall asleep.
Colby loves his naps and I always wake him or he would sleep at least 2hr15. The other day when I suspected he was sick he slept 3.5hrs before waking of his own accord. Luckily he had put himself to bed at 11.45am while playing in his room and still went to bed at his usual time. He never did get any other symptoms apart from seeming really quiet and sitting about though.
Colby almost always sleeps to 7.10am when our sun on the Groclock comes up, 6.45am at the earliest but that is rare.

Cadan was on a 30 min nap most days by 2.5yo with the other days being NNDs. These naps were either in the car, buggy or occasionally a late one on the sofa. He gave up napping in his bed when we moved him to a BBB at 27mo and I didn't have the time to fight the nap resistance with a 7mo Colby to care for as well. I tried for a week to spend between 1hr and 3hrs doing GW every day but not once did he nap so I gave up. The GW worked a treat for BT but that was mostly DH doing it.

Do you have any way to get M to take a catnap in the buggy or car etc.? Mine were always happier when they woke if it was a CN on the move that they woke from of their own accord (sometimes with some strategic noise to stir them ;) ).

Do you think either of these approaches might work for M?
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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2014, 18:05:23 pm »
Colby almost always sleeps to 7.10am when our sun on the Groclock comes up, 6.45am at the earliest but that is rare.
wow - neither of mine do that but H is pretty good really.

I could do a 30 min car nap before I get H from school, she will not ever sleep in the buggy.

I am just struggling to know what approach to take. I think doing what you do i.e. 3 no nap days would be fine but she would need a 6.30pm BT I think...that's fine though. Then I could let her do a 1.5 nap on the other days 1.15-2.45pm

I am struggling to know how to get out of this phase though as can't do a NND on a 5am start?? :(





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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2014, 20:13:21 pm »
Meg had nap dropped by now. She did it all of a sudden, but if she did naps he was always exhausted and awful to wake up. She would seriously scream for over 30 mins, and it just wasn't worth it. But there was no way I was getting up at 5am either.

We didn't have all our teeth until after 3, so had the odd random EW for a while. But dropping the naps def stopped the vast majority of them.

I think they all get OT anyway no matter how you approach it, so really you could do a NND regardless of wake up time  :-\.

I'm def a bit of a 'pull the plaster off' type though  ;). But I wouldn't be prepared to spend 6 mths doing the 2-1 with 4-5am WUs  :-\.

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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2014, 20:41:20 pm »
So hard to know.  You will not know until you try, though.  Fx for tonight. 



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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2014, 07:20:49 am »
I am of the same opinion liz - not got the patience this time round to spend 6 months on it!

well she slept well last night - did not fully wake till 6.50am ish although she did have a waking around 5am ish and who knows if she was just quiet as the first thing she said to me was ' i waited for the sunshine so now we go to monkey music!'

anywhoo if she did sleep in it was on an almost 14 hour day and 1.10 nap.

I would almost rather do some NND's but DH thinks cap to 1 hour first and I am happy to try that, I know that 30 mins would be too little for every day and would alos entail me not only losing her naptime but also driving around which is not ideal at all.




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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2014, 07:33:11 am »
Try it for a week, and if you are still getting EWs make moves to drop it completely. It really is OK not having nap time to do stuff once you get used to it. Megan will either help me, or sit in her room listening to her CD player or something, although I guess once they don't nap they really do have to self entertain a bit more.

Megan always responded very well to set times as well. She is the same now - watch out if that little head is not on the pillow by 7am  ;). Fuss fuss fuss fuss scream sqwark!

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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2014, 07:35:45 am »
so liz - were EWings the only sign that Megan was in 1-0. I thought they refused nap or BT? That is the only thing that makes me doubt what is going on yk? If that is what M did then I guess I have more faith it is 1-0.




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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2014, 07:59:22 am »
Fwiw Z needed a 14 hr day with any kind of nap by 3, even 30 mins.
I think if the ew are chronic and not improving with tweaking - then CT may be your least painful option.i have a super touchy boy and we really gradually dropped the nap BUT even he got OT with the nap drop - it's inevitable I think. ::)

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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2014, 11:37:53 am »
Oh no, Megan hardly ever refused bedtime as she was such an 'on the clock' baby. So at 7pm she was tired pretty much regardless. She might sing and take a bit longer to go to sleep if she was genuinely UT after a nap, but she would never refuse.

With naps she would happily have her milk and cuddles and go, sing for a bit, and then call asking to get up again  ::) ::). Plus a bit of nap refusal.

She was the same when I got 2 long naps out of her at 6 mths. Would go to bed at her usual time and then wake and have EWs. Got rid of the extra day sleep and she went back to STTN. Shame it took me 3 mths to figure it out  ::) ::).

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Re: routine tweak or leave alone?
« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2014, 11:42:36 am »
ok...sounds similar to M.

I think I am going to do a 1 hour nap 1.45-2.45pm with 7.15pm BT (or i could do 1.30-2.30pm with 7pm BT)  and what do you think - how long should I do it before we try something else? I really think it will not suit her as she will end up OT but DH wants to try this first and after asking him I feel I should listen to him a bit ;)
Also, if it does not work we can reassess....so ladies how long to try it for?




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