routine tweak or leave alone?

[*Becky*]

Again bedtime resistance would be useful to see anyway wouldn't it? In terms of knowing what to do next?

absolutely!

12.5 hour night last night straight through, no wake ups - that is as good as it gets and makes me feel better about today also being a NND x

[koe2moe]

Cool!!  Good to hear positive update! 

[ZacsMumme]

[*Ali*]

If she is having NNDs then I would allow 1.5hrs the next day to catch up.

What times is she waking in the mornings now?

[*Becky*]

she has woken somewhere from 6.30-7am this last week
Today was a NND as we went to a party, we tried a car nap but she was too excited/wired. I am not expecting a great night but will def do a nap tomorrow for 1.5 hours. Thanks guys x

[*Ali*]

Good luck

[*Becky*]

so we did 2 NND's and she was great...6.30-7am which is amazing for her

I agve a nap on Sunday and Monday for an hour and tbh she was tired, she cried from one wake up. Nights have been more restless so yday we just did 1.5 to see and she slept much better but was restless in the early morning.

So rock and hard place???

It seems the NND's do work better but am not sure how many to do in a row and also how long to let her nap on the days she naps...what do you girls reckon?

[koe2moe]

Yay!  I personally would only do half hour nap.  The day sleep stole from the night sleep.  CN to prevent OT but not enough to affect the night sleep.  For DS, even a 5 min nap after I picked him up would kill the night sleep.  So I couldn't even allow CN unless I let him go to bed much later. 

[*Becky*]

ok, thanks koe. So do you reckon 2-3 NND's and then 30/35 mins on the other days? I am worried about OT setting in.

[*Ali*]

Maybe the 1.5hr nap was too much after two 1hr nap days? Do you personally prefer NNDs or nap days? You could alternate with a 1hr nap and then a NND or do 2 NNDs and then a day with a 1.5hr nap. I'd only do 30 min naps if you are doing them almost every day but tbh it wasn't worth it for me to have to put my DS in the cot for half an hour as he was too unhappy to wake from a nap in bed. We did 30 min naps most days but always in the buggy or car so he woke naturally after a CN and wasn't grumpy because he never really got into a deep sleep.

Posted with you...

[koe2moe]

IMO the fewer nap days you can do, the sooner she would settle in and get used to NND.  However if she's not ready, then a nap would help to keep OT at bay.  This is the first time she has had NNDs and her body needs adjusting the body clock for it.  I would actually do slightly earlier bt to prevent OT, rather than fitting a nap in, e.g., on weekends, or the days that is possible, i mean 30 mins earlier, not SEBT.  The restless nights are indication that she's not tired enough to get the full rest in the night. 

If it is not possible to have slightly earlier bt, then slip in a nap but be prepared for a restless night which means she would again spiral down to the tired route the next day.  It just keeps this transition period longer.  Just my 2 cents in our situation.  Is it half term with you?  Is it possible to try out NNWeek?  Her nights might even get longer.  FX for whichever way you do. xx

[*Ali*]

It really does varying from child to child. Cadan had completely dropped the nap by this age and was doing 13.5hr nights but Colby is still having 4x 1.5-2hr naps a week with 11.5hr nights (12hrs15 on NNDs). With Colby I try not to have more than 2 days in a row of either NNDs or nap days. We do
Monday = no nap, Tuesday = 1.5-2hr nap, Wednesday = no nap, Thursday = 1.5-2hr nap, Friday = 1.5-2hr nap, Saturday = no nap, Sunday = 1.5hr nap and so on. Typically he sleeps approx 7-7.15 on NNDs and 7.45-7.15 on nap days.
I prefer the naps as he gets more sleep overall, (13-13.5hrs as opposed to 12hr15 on naps days) and he is more likely to sleep soundly. If I get more than 3 NNDs in a row he tends to have multiple OT NWs between 10pm and 2am which although short (asks for help with water or quilt then I can leave) are obviously very disturbing. This was totally not the case for Cadan as a 30 min nap took his night down to 12hrs or so from 13.5hrs.  I did find that Cadan's nights only extended to 13.5hrs after a good few weeks after we dropped the nap completely at 30mo.  It is also a case of juggling the two boys because it just doesn't work here for them to have vastly different BTs and WUs and Cadan only does a 12-12hr15 night now he's 4yo. Not sure if you have any of the same constraints with regards to fitting in with H's routine.

[*Becky*]

The only constraints we have are that she has to be up by 2.45pm in the afternoon and she will be woken at 7.15am as H shouts loudly when he wakes and nothing we have tried wrks about that!

Today is a NND so will see how tonight goes...I do find it hard when they like to nap, never thought I would say that but she likes to nap, she likes going to sleep at night and she does get tired easily.Problem is it really does seem that naps are not giving good nights atm.

[ZacsMumme]

Sweetie when Z got to the point of napping for a short time every 3/4 days he actually was so tired he went down earlier! Like 11/12 am! You could try for an earlier nap and see what happens. The 1-0 really changes the rules a bit YK?

[koe2moe]

The liking to nap can also be body clock habits.  FX for the night.  xx