Time for Gro-Clock or routine tweak?

[Lindsay27]

The thing about pushing his nap later is that he naps at daycare, and they are on a routine there and she tries to have all the kids nap at the same time, so she has to account for the younger ones too.  That said, the nap does float a bit and can sometimes be 12:30, but sometimes closer to 1 or even after 1. 

Even though he was up at 5:30am yesterday I tried a slightly later BT and he slept til 6am today, but he also did have a NW at 2:45am, so who knows.  It's hard to make routine changes when so much of it is out of my hands, and I know I can ask her to push his nap...but I also don't want to over-complicate her day either.

[My little Liam]

Well then i think you are kind of stuck then, yk? I think his nap needs tp be consistently later for there to be a change in his wu. A day here or there wont make a difference i dont think when he is so used to a 1230 nap.
I guess your option is to either ask  the lady at daycare to pushthe nap later or live with a really early wu...if you dont feel comfortable asking the daycare lady tochange B's nap time then i would at least get a groclock for your sanity and that way tou could teach him to wait quietly until 6?
Liam would scream the house down calling for me and it only took a few days for it to get better withthe groclock. He is so proud ofhimself when the sun comes up and he has waited.

[Skadiver13]

The other option is to cut the nap to maybe 1.5hrs to see if that makes a difference?

[Lindsay27]

Stuck with a 7:30pm BT last night and got a 6:15am WU this morning, though I think he was extra tired yesterday because he was outside a lot.  I think I'll try to talk to my CM about pushing the nap to 1pm consistently and see what that does.

[Lindsay27]

Forgot to mention - he doesn't always sleep 2 hrs...it's usually somewhere between 1.5 - 2hrs.

[jessmum46]

Just reading through quickly but my suggestion would have actually been to do the exact opposite....an earlier BT.  Bearing in mind we all have different experience here, so not wanting to cause confusion - you've had some lovely support already but my DD at 26 months is not high sleep needs but a 13-13.5h day with a 1.5-2h nap, with daycare would see her deep deep into OT territory.  For us a 10.5h night with a cranky WU is almost always overtiredness. 

Just to give you an idea she is at daycare Mon- Weds and does:

WU 6.45
Nap 11.45/12 for around 1h-1h15, though will refuse at least once a week, more often twice
BT 6.30 if no nap, 7 if naps

At home she does:
WU 7ish
Nap 1/1.30 for 1h30 (capped) - allow an extra 15 mins if completely exhausted
BT 7pm
With the odd nap refusal day at home.......like today..........

Just another thing to consider if pushing nap and /or BT doesn't get you the results you're hoping for

[Lindsay27]

but my DD at 26 months is not high sleep needs but a 13-13.5h day with a 1.5-2h nap, with daycare would see her deep deep into OT territory.  For us a 10.5h night with a cranky WU is almost always overtiredness.

I have wondered this also because I find that sometimes if I do an early BT at around 6:30/45, that I might actually get a later WU.  I do really wonder if it's a case of OT and not UT.  I honestly don't know if it's OT or UT    He does well on a 11hr night so I do wonder with all these early WUs if he's now into OT territory, maybe it was a case of a UT/OT loop? 

I do think canines are bothering him a bit, we've had a few short NWs this week but giving meds over not giving them isn't making a difference, but his gums are swollen and he's often chewing on his coat/sweater/whatever is accessible 

[jessmum46]

My rule of thumb is generally to assume most silliness if not teeth is probably OT. Even if it started out as UT! You can do it either way though - my preference is to try to rule out OT first, then try pushing nap or BT second if EBT/early nap doesn't help. But you know your LO best and if you think it's best to rule out UT first then I'd stick to with the later nap/BT for a week or so and see where it gets you x

[Lindsay27]

My CM sent me a text saying he has a fever today but is generally ok...so that really leads me to believe teeth and maybe a OT combo.

[jessmum46]

How has sleep been last couple of days?  Sorry to hear he has a fever though - bear in mind a high fever is unlikely to be teething, more likely a virus so just keep an eye out for symptoms x

[Lindsay27]

I think my CM might have been crazy because we didn't detect a fever, definitely teething symptoms though.

Yesterday WU was horrid.  5am.  I tried for an hour to resettle him but nothing worked.  This morning was 6am.  We are all over the map!

[jessmum46]

Ugh miserable hope the day goes better than you expect x

[Lindsay27]

A 6:30am WU yesterday and I tried BT at about 7:15ish and LOTS of shenanigans ... he didn't settle until 8:30pm and DH had to lay beside his crib and then he ended up having 2 NW, one at 11pm and one at 2pm (both which have occurred a few times this week) and then a 6:15 WU this morning.  He seemed really tired though when we put him down at BT. 

His bottom canine just barely started to cut yesterday, I can just feel a small tip of it through the gum, so I am suspecting it's just his teeth.  All 4 canines look ready to come through, so it might be a while yet before things settle down.

[jessmum46]

I'm guessing he was already OT by bedtime.  Did he nap? 

[Lindsay27]

Yes he did nap, but not entirely sure for how long.

3 canines have cut now, so he's just a bit off overall.  The last 2 night's he's had 8pm BT because we've had company and he has settled with absolutely no issues and had decent WUs - 6:30am this morning and 6:15am yesterday.  He was a mess when I took him to daycare today though.  It is just me and him tonight, so we are going to have a quick dinner and then an early BT...poor bub, needs to catch up a bit and the teeth aren't helping matters!