Is this wonder week, separation anxiety or first signs of molar coming out?

[Miraclelim]

She finally slept better at night on her tummy with brace on. Occasional moan n cry at night but as in mins. But I don't understand y if I give her a longer nap I have early wake. Is it because she is undertired n slept enough. Yesterday I accidentally let her slept for 2.5hr for nap she did only a 10 night as a result ??!?

Wu 0620
Out of bed 0645
Nap 12-1430 ( I wake her up）
Bedtime put down 1910 fell asleep 1935
Nw few moans n cry but as in seconds.
Wake up 0540 this morning
That is only a 10 hr night.
She has never done such a short night. Yyyyy?
Haven't had such an EW for a while.
Does that mean I need to cut nap to 2 hr or move bedtime to 8pm??
I know she is not very tired when I put her to bed yesterday. She was moaning n whining a lot in bed before she slept. I m still waiting for molar to cut thru.
Pls advise thank you.

[ZacsMumme]

Could be that the 2hrs nap is enough. Both my boys needed their naps capped at 2hrs from about 12-13 mths. Then then nap was moved back over time later in the day.

I'd be tempted to leave the nap at 12 cap at 2hrs (or give 2hrs15 first and see how she goes) and then BT 5-5hrs15 later.

[Miraclelim]

Thanks Sara I find that she needs a longer a time after a good nap at least 5.15hr to 5.5 hr. currently our easy is

Wu 0600-0630 but out of bed at 0645 regardless of wu time
Nap 1200-1400/1415 ( sometimes only 1.5hr)
Bedtime 1900/1915. ( latest is 1930)

I was aiming for wu time of 0700 but gave up. I m happy with anything after 6am. Normally she will chat n play in bed till I pick her up unless its a very short night.

[Miraclelim]

  now naps have gone worst. She is up after 45 mins and took ages to fall asleep for nap (10-15min which is long for her). What happened? I medicated her with hylands teething med. she is up and ready to play.....
Wu 0600 out of bed at 0630
Nap 1215-1300 (put down at 1155)I didn't pick her up till almost 1345. She just rolled around in bed sucking her cloth.
Bedtime 1837 moanin and whining, put down at 1815.
No NW a few. Moans but ss
Help what happened?.. What should I do? Should I increase a time ? But 6hr is very long isn't it. This hasn't working fine y suddenly she is not napping long?...

[Miraclelim]

Help my 14.5 mth dd is only napping 1.15-1.5 hr now.. What is wrong with her?
Wu 0600-0615 out of bed 0645
Nap 1200/1215-1330-1345
Bedtime 1900/1915

Sometimes she wakes up whinging but today she just lies quietly sucking her cloth waiting for me to pick her up.
She has been throwing tantrums like never before I think it's just frustrated she can't have what she wants or when we don't understand her. I am still waiting for her molar to cut thru.
NW is only crying out for seconds then self sooth in seconds. I think she is dreaming. When I look at the monitor her eyes r closed.

How do I lengthen her nap?... Should I push her nap out more? Like 1215/1230?

[ZacsMumme]

She looks possibly in an UT/OT loop are you medicating to see if it helps rule out teething pain? Can you ever resettle at 1hr 15?

I'd try an earlier BT for a couple of days 6.30-6.45 and see if it helps...

[Miraclelim]

I did but didn't make a huge difference. Tried early bedtime but she won't sleep m I got early wake. But when she is awake today from her nap she was not crying. She just stared at the monitor. Hmmmmmm so hard to figure her out.

Ahhhhh I tried to put her down early at 1845 she didn't sleep till 1930!!!!!!! Despite only having 1hr 15min nap. When I put her down she just lay in bed no fuss. I don't understand. :-( any ideas? Just hope there is no EW or nw.

[Miraclelim]

Hi Sara I have always set nap time at 1200 +/- 15 min it works well if she wakes up before 6 am she tends to sleep longer. Yesterday she fell asleep at 1930 so I thinking shall I try napping her at 1230? It's 0630 now n she is still sleeping. I will wake her up at 0700 if still asleep. What do u think? Last night was not bad. She cried out at 2330 but I sing to her via the monitof n she went back to sleep. Didn't open her eyes either. Bad dreams I think.
Thanks Sara for your help.

[ZacsMumme]

Given her naps aren't that great ATM I would let her sleep in if she will....
Can you post today's EAS once she's in bed and I'll ask for some more eyes on your thread Hun x

[Miraclelim]

Thanks Sara. I ready to cry now...
She woke up at 0650 by herself so I take her out straight away and feed her.
Nap 1230-1325 woke up now n sucking her cloth not crying or whinging. I am thinking undertired because she woke up not crying n doesn't call for me. Maybe I should have put her down at 1300.
So only 55mins nap. 
Why can't I have a baby who naps like 2-3 hr a day. Most of my friends babies sleep like 2-3hr for nap. 
The problem is I can't tell when she is tired, it's not reliable. I have to go by the clock since like very young age.

[Buttonbobs]

Hugs honey, it seems this is the first day you tried 12.30 for the nap, if so I'd hold on for a couple more days doing the same thing. If you've been setting her naps for a whole she may need a few days to adjust to the new set time, even though her sleep has been unsettled for a little while.

Do you think the teething has passed or are you still medicating for it?

Sometimes after a period of teething or general SA a child can come out of it with a slightly different routine need. Taking a whole view of your thread it could well be that a Ut/OT loop has set in and I agree that extend that morning A time probably is the way to go. You may well need to tweak BT a bit to get it right but you WILL get there. (((Hugs))).

Can you post your days in EAS format while we look at this for you.

[Miraclelim]

Thanks Naomi for ur help.
I am still waiting for her first molars to cut through. She has always been a very happy baby but a super active spirited baby. This phase is so hard. These few days she suddenly becomes more aware of things, she knows we can take things away from her n she can't always have what she wants. She starts to throw massive tantrums like I have never seen before. 

Ever since we came back from holiday beginning of feb, she started teething, NW and occasional short naps. Then now NW stopped. Only occasional cry but she is still asleep so I just sing her a lullaby thru monitor n she when back to sleep.

Before holiday it was

Wu 0545-0630 ( but out of bed at 0645)
Nap 1145/1200-1345/1400 ( set time at 1145 but I moved slowly to 1200 to get a longer nap)sometimes 1.5 hr only
BT was 1830 but moved to 1900/1915 when nap is longer.

Cannot have nap of >2.15hr otherwise we have night wake.

Currently this week

Wu 0600-0630 (out of bed 0645)
Nap 1200/1215-1330
BT varies from 1900-1930 but I make sure she is in bed at 1845

I haven't been consistently medicating her with nurofen only with hylands teething meds. At bedtime is okie is the nap that is getting shorter that I am worried. I only give nurofen when I notice she is very grumpy in the morning and I figure the teething is really bothering her n hylands teething meds is not helping.

This am
Wu 0650
Nap 1230-1325 ( since she woke up late so I thought I will put down late.) but she woke up not crying undertired nap. I am sure of it.
BT in bed at 1847 asleep by 1900 I was so surprise! Oh yah I gave nurofen maybe that is why.

What am I doing wrong here Naomi?
What if she wakes up tomorrow at 0600 n if I put her down at 1230 that is 6.5 hr awake although first 45 mins is quiet time in bed.?

She has always been good after transition to one nap has always slept 1.5 to 2.15 hr at least. I now realised molar is so bad. Is it also developmental ?

Thanks Naomi and Sara for looking into this for me. I really appreciate it so much. It's so frustrating n disheartening. Everytime I thought I got it right she short naps again. 

[Miraclelim]

Last night was good no sound at all till 0530 then self settled n light sleep after that tossing n turning whined a bit but still sleeping till 0700. Yeah!!!! 12hrs of sleep. Now what time should I put her to nap? 1pm? I put her down at 1230 she only slept 55mins undertired. Pls advice. Hopefully Sara u see this post before I put her down. Thanks

[ZacsMumme]

Keep an eye on her but maybe go for 1pm - be ready to resettle if you get an OT mid nap cry...if she seems tired by 12.30 then go for 12.45 x

[Miraclelim]

  I put her down at 1255 fell asleep 1305 woke up 1415. She woke up cried for for abit trying to go bavk to sleep. not sure if i went in and rock her whether she will sleep or not. It's 38 degrees here what am I going to do with a super active baby at home. Arghhhhhhh!!!
Okie she refuses to let me rock her to sleep. Maybe I should have done 1245.