Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26

[BusterB]

Feeling pretty low this evening - has felt like a really rough day. I absolutely adore my baby but getting less than an hours break in over 12 hours is taking it's toll today. Especially after the middle of the night party last night & the constant comfort feeding! Feels a bit like I have a tiny baby again.

After the CN tonight I thought I would aim for a really short A to see if he was OT... Took me 3 attempts to get him to bed though. Was a battle stretching over almost an hour and a half. He was just WIDE awake, even though I could see how exhausted he was. Total A was 3hr30 in the end, but he could have done longer! On the plus side he made it past the first sleep cycle.

Yes he most certainly is in a wonder week, it started last week - but for some reason I just felt the changes were routine based & not that?! Not sure why! Maybe that's what it is then and I just have to ride it out. At least if it's WW related it has a definite end point 

At only just 10m old he does seem to be an early arrival to the 2:1 transition party - but he can definitely handle 4hr plus after a very short nap - he managed it after a FOUR MINUTE nap a month ago... that was scary! So I do think we'll have to drop the CN sooner rather than later.

Thanks for taking the time to reply & offer support Kelly, I'm v grateful! Xx

Now I'm going to try & catch up on some sleep Zzzzz

[Kellyjs]

Hope you had a good night Busterb and are feeling more positive.

Sounds like DD has just woken from her nap early Grrr. That's only 1hr 15mins! Must have been UT as she's chatting away in there. Damn it, EBT for us tonight then! Last night she didn't fall asleep until 7.10pm as she had a great 2.5hr nap. I have no idea if she went back to sleep after waking at 5.30am, she was quiet for 20mins. I didn't put her down till 11.50. Anything less than 6hrs it seems means a crappy nap 

Problem is, there no CN for us here anymore, she's just refused every time I've tried recently. I'm fed up of not knowing if she's UT or OT!

[BusterB]

Oh Kelly - I totally understand your OT/UT confusion - it's such a gamble sometimes isn't it?!

Did I read on here somewhere that if your baby wakes at say 5:30, but you leave it until 6am to get then, that you should count your A time from 6am? Is that what you do?

Also i presume that , just like us, sometimes hunger could wake them earlier than expected? That is something I am aware of but I wonder if some of my top up feeds have caused a boob prop!

Last night was pretty rubbish... NWs at 12:20 & 5:55... Fed back to sleep both times though. Did 3hr45 A tis morning and got another 40m nap... So undertired or possibly woke because I fed to sleep?!

He is asleep in the car now though (I am parked up) & has been for almost an hour.... So goodness knows what time BT will be! I should probably try and wake him to be honest....

[Kellyjs]

I'd enjoy the peace and quiet! Thinking his BT is going to be stupidly late though  . Yours does sound like classic ww behaviour though?? First nap does seem UT rather than any habits you're forming I think.

I do do that and count the A from when she gets up sometimes but it's a bit hit or miss. That's what the set nap was supposed to be all about  . I might need to move the set nap along a bit anyway I think. We've been here a while. That one time she woke at 6.30, she was no where near tired enough to go down at 11.45, so I stretched it and still got a rubbish nap!

At a loss really. The best naps we get if when she's done 11hrs nt sleep, wakes at 5.30/45, gets up at 6.15/30, then goes down around 12 or 12.15 I think. I probably just need to look into shifting the day ahead by half an hour I suppose then it might work!!

Oh well, EBT for her tonight which means an early glass of wine for me before DH gets home me thinks xx

[Kellyjs]

In a bit of a pickle today... O had a fitful night sleep. Had a few WU's that didn't need me to go into her. However I had to wake her at 6.30!! I would have let her sleep in if we weren't going out this afternoon and tonight and I need to go to bed at a reasonable time. Really unsure if she's corrected some OT as technically she's slept 12.5hrs on and off?? Either way that's more than the 11hrs nt sleep she's been pulling lately.

So if she has crappy naps on less than 6hrs, I'm thinking to pd at 12.25pm. But that's 45mins later than her 'set' nap. I have done 15-20mins later before but I'm thinking it might mess up all the work we've done on the set nap BT thing. Any thoughts??

Hope everyone had a good night xx

[BusterB]

Morning Kelly! Good to hear you are getting a nice long night, but I get your quandary regarding the set nap timing... hope someone has some pointers for you - being the newbie I'm keen to see what people advise to manage this crazy transition. I would always be so nervous of UT that I would push things but then we could never do a set bedtime, it just wouldn't work for my UT sensitive little man  we need full flexibility.

Long car nap yesterday helped our night - bed at 8:30 with little trouble and straight through to 6:15 this morning. Only 9hr45 total which isn't enough, but feels like moving back on track a bit. Hope for a long nap this am. Obviously he has been OT going to bed recently.

Looks like it's going to be lovely weather today here in UK... wishing everyone a lovely weekend.

[Kellyjs]

Well she wasn't at all tired at around the set nap time so I just carried on and went for the 6hrs A. UT sensitivity definitely happens here too!! We're 1hr10mins in so not counting my chickens just yet.

Hope your morning nap went ok Busterb? It does sound like a short night though. Hmmm they say anything under 10.5 could be OT?? Xx

[BusterB]

We're 1hr10mins in so not counting my chickens just yet.

Hope your morning nap went ok Busterb? It does sound like a short night though. Hmmm they say anything under 10.5 could be OT?? Xx

How long was O's nap in the end Kelly?

Yes he's been OT I think... He woke after 40m this morning but fed back to sleep and had almost 1.5hr in the end. He's just gone off again and I think I'll just let him sleep (unless it gets silly )

[babybarr]

Well we're definitely in the transition now. So many pm nap refusals and we've had some longer nights from catching up. Haven't mastered a long nap yet but thinking we need big a time. Who knows!

Glad we're not alone!

[BusterB]

Yesterday was almost a 15 hour day here I could not get him to sleep any earlier than 9pm but his day had started at 6:15am... This is getting crazy.

And he just woke at 5:15am and is currently chatting away to himself in his cot  so he's only had 8 hours sleep... what the hell is that about? That is crazy. God knows what today is going to be like.

Anyone have any tips for fixing this mess?

[Kellyjs]

Our nap was just shy of 2hrs in the end so result! We were out for the night last night, got back around 12.30am and babysitter said she was ok, but doubt he'd tell us if she did wu as he's so sweet, everything's always 'fine'!

I had to squeeze in a nap at our friends before we were going out, so I pd at 11am and she slept 2hrs again! Was only expecting a 45mins nap, so have no idea what that's all about.

Welcome back Laura. Nap refusals are the pits. At least when you plan for a one nap day, the A's either side of the nap are reasonable ish. With refusals it's just such a long A to bed that I don't like. At least they're having longer nights.. That must be nice. Let us know how you get on with increasing their A time.

Oh dear Busterb that night is awful!! How much DT sleep is he having at the mo? Is he having more than 13hrs a day total? 15hr days are not good at all, for your sanity to say the least. Xx

[gb18]

Hi all! Busterb you sound like u r stuck in the same OT mess that we r!! We r getting nw and ew again! Boo!!

We have decided to try and just stick with a set nap time and push on through but not sure if that is going to work. Think we also have teething and SA too so goodness knows how things r going to work out.

Had a 5.30 wu at the weekend and did 40 min am and 2 hr 20 pm nap, bed 7.15pm but had nw and 4.20am wu. Ended giving bottle and went to sleep till 8. Had to do short A next morning as going out so had 6 hr A till bed after 1hr 10 mins sleep!! Multiple nw already at it only 11pm!!! Aaargh!!

Have u tried capping morning nap to get longer pm nàp busterb, even after rubbish night? I am sure I read to stick at it even when OT although maybe I am wrong??? Does anyone know?

Fab news Kelly about the later wu again! Hoping it gets more consistent for u.

[Kellyjs]

How's nursery going gb18?? Any decent naps there yet?

We had a few SA-type NW last night. Seems 5.5hrs before bed even with a 2-hr nap is too long! Not good when I'm trying to catch up on some sleep! Oh well, we'll see how today goes. Wu was a reasonable 6.20am though.

[BusterB]

Have u tried capping morning nap to get longer pm nàp busterb, even after rubbish night?

Hiya gb18... Funny you should ask this actually.... that is exactly how we began this transition a month ago - but then I started getting resistance at BT and I switched it. However yesterday we were out in car in the morning so he did 40m am nap and so our afternoon nap was 1hr30 followed by 4hr A and he slept through - with only 1 NW 40m after going to sleep - from 8:30pm to 6:20am, so a bit of an improvement. Total sleep was only just over 9hr45 though.. Think we'll try that way round again for a bit though as bedtime was easier last night!

Yay for your 2 x 2 hour naps recently Kelly! What is SA by the way?

[Kellyjs]

SA is separation anxiety hun. I call those screaming, won't let you leave type NW as those as I don't know what else it could be!!

So glad your BT was a bit easier. Rinse and repeat and see what happens today then?? That first NW 40mins in still seems like OT symptoms to me, any chance he'll do BT a little earlier? Perhaps at 3.5hrs? Xx