Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26

[debo620]

We ended up with an UT 25 min am nap from 11:35-12 and I tried at 2:15 but she protested and was ready 2:55, asleep 3 but only slept until 4, bed at. 7:45

I'm feeling slightly stressed about this transition too because my boys are done school now and I can't handle them being home and her crazy napping etc.

[Kellyjs]

Hi Kate, totally agree with gb18. She's obviously capable of the one nap, so if you decide to power through I would do a change of scenery, activity etc. it can be quite hard work! Remember other children at nursery can be so much more exciting than mum, so you might have to pull out all the stops. Here, O gets cranky for 10-15 mins then comes out the other side all happy again. I do know many people allow their lo's to catch up at home if they've been in nursery, so the odd 2 nap day won't hurt at all.

Hey green007, they do say boys are much easier! Definitely karma  . I think your change in time zone could be just the ticket! Might help you reset her to a reasonable time for a nap? You're probably not too far off considering you haven't had NW. 6hrs to bed here results in lots of NW whereas she can do 6hrs in the am quite happily. Yours could just be the other way round?

Hang in their deb, It is hard. We had the random nap times for a couple of weeks. I just hated the inconsistency so did the set nap thing. It must be much more difficult with two other lo's around so sending you ((hugs)).

We had a kind of 2 nap day yesterday. She fell asleep for 10 mins in the car on the way to a playgroup at 8.30am. Blessing really considering she woke up at 5am.. Wasn't looking forward to pushing her. Second nap at the usual time of 12.30 and slept 2hrs 10mins. Had a horrible SA NW at 4am this morning though that took a while to settle. Def don't think it's OT as she's been full of beans lately. Thinking developmental. Walking is coming along well and she's starting to copy things. Last time these sorts of NW happened she started cruising so I'm hoping it'll pass soon. Problem is, when she wakes at that time, I can't get back to sleep! 

[Green007]

If I start doing set naps...say 11:30-11:45 every day...will it take her a few days to adjust? Or should I just keep inching my way up with A time ? She napped yesterday from 10:50-12-10 and went to bed at 6. Up at 4:15 this AM. Just ridiculous. So I'm pushing her A time today...to 11-11:30 ....I just think I don't care anymore if she's going to start getting up at 4...she will literally not take a second nap...I have tried everything...she'll sit here and yawn and yawn but refuse the nap. I even tried a drive...nothing. So I feel I really have no choice but to drastically push that nap as close to 12 pm as I can. Thing is...she's a terrie eater...it's always a fight...so getting her to eat before a nap...when she's tired...should be "interesting".

[debo620]

Green07, have you tried a set morning nap time but limiting it and then long nap in pm? My boys were early wakers and I wouldn't do that early of a bedtime so we did set nap at 10 for 30min and then 1.5hr long nap at 1:30 or so
 
the two nap day was ok yesterday, avoided the OT NW but we had earlier start of 6:55, so nap time was at 11:15, no idea how long she will sleep but she will likely need another nap. Im not sure if I limit this nap or let it go as try to squeeze in another nap...

I feel like we are going backwards, hope we can get back to a normalish wake time tomorrow...hoping to start to push out her A time to 5 hours

[Kellyjs]

I'd let her sleep Deb... I asked the exact same question before and that was the advice given to me!! Let us know how it goes.

Green007, with the set naps, you pick a time that's doable so maybe 11am on a wu of 5am or earlier as you've been getting. Problem is, you'll need to try and stick to a 12hr day as close as possible to her 'normal' early wu. For us, her WU's were 5.30-6, I'd get out of bed around 6.15-6.30, set nap at 11.30 BT at 6.15 with a view to being asleep at 6.30. The idea is to go by their 'get out of bed time' rather than actual wake time. There was a bit of OT for us in the beginning, but that soon went away. Then even with an early wu of 6, I had to start pushing the set nap later as we were getting 1.5hr nap or less at the original 11.30 time. And as I've just learned, anything more than 4.5hrs to bed here means OT. Preferably 4hrs.

With a 4am wu though, I'd probably do as deb recommended.. Really short am nap of around 15mins around 7.30-8 to get you close to your set nap time. Before O wouldn't do short am,long pm.. We just got two short ones. Now, however, I can let her have 10 mins in the car (I try not to put her to bed as I'd be encouraging a nap iykwim), then she'd be able to do until her set nap time or 15 mins later. Then I can do BT at the set time. O wouldn't normally sleep in the car like that, but if I time it right especially after an early wu, she will go off.

Hth. It's a rough ride, but I was sooo hacked off with the inconsistency of it all rather than anything else, that's why we went for the set nap route. I think it's worked in our favour tbh. As long as she wasn't OT before bed it was ok. the longer I pushed her in the am, the longer nap we got. But that might not be the same for everyone.

[debo620]

Thanks Kelly,
she napped 11:15-1pm and Im leaving her in there until she starts complaining, since she is resting at least...

Im not sure what to do now, she won't willingly take another nap and I can't AP a nap either since my mother will be babysitting from 5:30 onward. That being said Im worried about her being OT at bedtime and or having evening/night wakings..

we are heading out to a concert tonight and I won't be getting to bed early..

[Green007]

She slept 45 mins. I didn't get her down til 11:45! Set for 11 but had a conference call interview and couldn't get her in until it was over She woke at 12:33. So now I have to try n put her in again...around 3 ish hours after she woke up? 3:30? I have a dentist appt at 4:00...my husband will be home to watch her IF she sleeps. If she refuses that one...I don't know what to do. I'm so over this...I don't know if she'll do the short am/long pm...I can try tmw or Sunday...Saturday we will be traveling all day...so goodness knows! I just feel like crying.

[debo620]

4am until 11:45 for a nap, I think is too long, sorry..
can you try and AP her back to sleep?

[Green007]

I know. I knew it was too long but I had no choice really My principal called 20 minutes earlier than he was supposed to What's AP stand for? If she woke at 12:33 after 45 mins...what time should I try again? To somehow salvage this day? She's been refusing second nap all week so I'm not sure if it matters...but I'll sure as heck try!

[Green007]

Deb. Could you do an early BT? Before you leave or get your mom to do it at 5:30-5:45? Your LO refuses that second nap too hey?

[BusterB]

I just feel like crying.

Green007 - I so totally get this and wanted to send you a *hug*. This crazy transition is making me feel like that all the time at the moment, it's horrible.

AP is accidental parenting by the way... & it just means intentionally using a 'prop' to get baby back to sleep.... so for eg. I breastfeed my son when he wakes early from a nap, in the hope he might go back to sleep or some use rocking/movement - so the pram, a sling or car ride etc

Kelly i think my lo is just starting to work on his walking too and that could well be responsible for some of NWs, although bizarrely yesterday he ended up having x2 40 min naps, as I had to put him down UT & went off to a dental appointment in the PM, so he was OT at bedtime & went down earlier than usual...  getting him to sleep was tough, but once he was down he stirred but didn't wake fully at the early sleep transitions as he usually does. He woke and took a full feed at 2:30am & was quite awake but fed back to sleep & up for day at 6:15am, having had a pretty decent 10.5 hours.... which is good, for him! 

I was dreading the mess that 2 short naps would make, but it actually improved things a bit! I definitely think my son needs to be nice and tired for his nights to be decent, but it's so difficult not to push things into the killer OT that we had recently!

I think the main reason I am so hesitant to go cold turkey is his short nights. We have never, ever had a 12/12 split and it's harder pushing A times when you have such long days to cope with & really cant do early bedtimes.

Anyways..... I hope that you enjoyed your concert Debs and things worked out with your little one's sleep today! A nap ending so early in the day and 2nd nap refusal would stress me out no end, especially if someone else had to do BT!! How did it go in the end?

[Green007]

Ugh. She will not nap again. Tried 3:30 until 4:30...completely refuses. Cries and stands up as soon as we put her in. Oh my Bed at 6:00. I can't do earlier than that...so tmw will be another 4am wake up...and I'm sure they'll will be some NW's as well.  

[Kellyjs]

Oh dear green007. Are we sure there's nothing like teething going on? She definitely should've been tired enough to sleep longer than 45mins! Do want to try medicating before the nap for a couple of days and see if it helps? So sorry it's not going well atm, it will get better, promise.

That is good for him Busterb! It might be worth pushing him today to see how it goes?

Hope you enjoyed your concert deb, a night out is definitely well-deserved! X

[BusterB]

Is your baby LSN Green007? Mine is and I avoid early bedtimes like the plague - if my baby stops CNing I'm going to find the position you are in now very tough! You have my sympathy.

My son only did a 9 hour night eventually got him to sleep after a bit of a battle at 8:30pm, 1 NW @ 11pm and then he was WIDE awake at 5:30am and I couldn't get him back to sleep. Doesn't seem remotely OT though so am thinking UT as he had a couple of decent naps yesterday.

Today should be interesting.... I'm considering doing a VERY short early CN this morning and pushing for a long afternoon nap. Kindof like a 1 nap day with training wheels 

[Kellyjs]

I love that analogy Busterb! Training wheels indeed!! Good luck, let us know how it goes. Worried about your lo's ability to do monster A times, hopefully if you get the timing right it should work well enough x

No NW for us last night, but I did hear her at 5am. I'm hoping she went back to sleep, I woke to hear her again at 5.50... Still pushed her to her usual nap time of pd at 12.20. She was asleep 5 mins later so we'll see how it goes. DH is working from home today, that doesn't normally bode well for a long nap as he disturbs her coming down from the top floor.

I'm so hoping we're near to the end of this crazy transition, there's still some tweaking to be done as the last few days she's done around 2.5hrs nap. I have a feeling it's too much and taking away from her night sleep as we're getting around 10.5hrs now.

((hugs)) to you all.