Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26

[debo620]

our day is getting worse..
she was cranky at 3:05, put her down at 3:10 and I think she just had a 20min nap, wth?

this is not good..

a 30 min nap and a 20min nap, uugh....what am I going to do now..cant believe this...my husband thinks Im crazy and my older kids are driving me bonkers.

[MarciaMSPT]

HI debo... we had some nw when i was still doing one nap and then one cn in the car... so I pushed the morning A time so he goes down at 12 and up at 2:15ish.

I was wondering the other day whether to cap that nap...and while I stood looking at the clock, I heard a little squeel... there was my LO standing up in his crib!  First time for me!  Soooo.... I'm very headstrong about making sure he gets or doesn't get sleep... don't want the crib (cot) party starting at this house!

Yes, this wonder week was awful!  However... I did set the pace last Thursday morning as soon as I got my LO up... he fought the nappie change as usual and I simply put my hand on his chest and held him down and spoke softly, gently but firmly and told him "no" - that that was unacceptable anymore.  He looked at me as if to say, "oh, you gonna be the boss today?"  And the rest of the day was truly divine!  children no matter what age WANT to know that someone is in charge so that they can enjoy life... Learned this from Dr. Karyn Purvis materials.  So, I've been doing a mix of ignoring the crying/screaming and telling him that I will pick him up when he stops crying.  This teaches him that 1.  he doesn't get a lot of attention with his screaming and 2.  He is rewarded for better, more acceptable behavior.  It's not all black and white though   I tend to certain cries sooner than other cries iykwim.  At story time throughout the day I firmly hold my LO when he starts to arch and want to do something else and gently, but firmly tell him to please sit still because mommy is reading and we are almost done.  At first it was a fight, but it's getting a lot better.  This will translate over to church etc when he needs to learn to play quietly and sit still.

Ok, sorry that was off topic... I've learned to manipulate any CN in the car so that his evening A time is at least 5 hours... he goes down at 8pm so that does not give much flexibility.  I may have to just start pushing the big nap a bit later than 12...but I also know that for us, it's not broke now so am not really feeling like I need to fix anything... just keeping it all in mind.  My LO tolerates two shorter naps in one day (when I need to run errands etc) but I make sure that is only once or twice a week so as not to allow OT to sneak in the back door.

I'm also wondering if some of the foods we are feeding our LO's is causing sensitivities? Not really allergies...but things like MSG and such can really wreak havoc... my little nephew suffered severe headaches with any type of MSG... what a bear to figure that all out but his mommy was very attentive and figured it out!  Many foods out there have ingredients that excite the nervous system etc.  Sorry off topic again, but really, just trying to back up and look at the entire forest and not just the trees.

Oh, our LO is teething too... and eye tooth I think (spelling?)  My mom says they are bears and this one has proved her 100% right!  Growth spurts too... what a grab bag of frustration at times!

Thanks for everyone's encouragement here and thoughts... hope I can be just as helpful as you all have been!  ((Hugs))

[Kellyjs]

Hey Deb, are you sure that something else is not going on? Do you think she's coming down with something?

I'm right behind you Marcia I think. O is being very grizzly atm and also very subdued for her 
On the plus side she's sleeping well (except for moving, grunting and coughing at night - she settles herself) even went back to sleep when she woke at 6.10 this morning. That's very strange in itself. I'm not too sure what to make of it all.

[BusterB]

Hello all... Sounds like we have a bunch of tricky/grumpy /fussy little monkeys at the moment. I hope that all teething, wonder weeks, 2-1 troubles are short lived.

We had a mixed bag of a weekend - got 2 textbook naps in before my best friend took over on Sat night & my son was put to bed by someone other than me for first time ever!! He let my best mate's boyfriend rock him to sleep in his arms & put him down, the photos are adorable!! He then slept through the night until 7am.... So a brilliant night!

Big nap yesterday was cut short as we had an appointment & had to be in car - so took me almost 2 hours to get him to sleep last night as he was OT & we had long night wakings at 12am & 5am... He was very clingy in the night. He has just started walking a few steps at a time & his 2nd tooth looks imminent, so lots going on for him. 

But because we slept in this morning, i have gone for our first one nap day.... So far so good, first A time was almost 5 hours and he has been asleep 1hr20 already. I just heard a cough on the monitor - here's hoping he stays asleep.... Eeeek!

[gb18]

Hi all. Great news re 1 nap day busterb! Hope all went well for u on your 1 nap day. Do u always feed to sleep or does your lo self settle.

How did the twins manage Laura?

Hope your lo is feeling ok Kelly. Poor thing.

We have been having a nightmare! No idea what to do!! Basically had long nw (2 hrs) on sat night and wu of 6am so lo had 9 hrs total sleep. He went for 40 min nap at 9.30, and pm nap at 2.15 and after waking at 1hr 30 he resettled ( by shh over the monitor) and we ended up waking him at 4.45pm.
Bt of 7.45. He then woke in the night at 4.30,5,5.30 crying but settled self within a few mins. At 6 and 6.30 I shh over the monitor and he slept till 7.40am.

Went for nap after 5 hrs A but had to resettle after 1hr 10 ( he cried out at 40 mins but self settled) and tried again after 1.5 hrs but with no success. Aimed for slightly ebt of 6.45 but asleep at 7.15. 1st nw at 8pm for 20 mins! I am sure OT but how can I help this if can't get my beautiful 2 hr plus naps back!! Super ebt not an option as would just wake early.

Added complication that nursery would never get 2 naps so always has a nap around 12.30. Never had longer than 1.5 hrs there.

If I need to do 2 naps at home I can do just not sure if it is the best option. Help!!! To be fair my lo has a cold and possibly teething which is what I blamed the original 2 hr nw on but prev weekend we had 5 nw (OT I am sure) but after 2 nap day we were back on track the day after.

Why do u think he had so many nw yesterday after such good 2 naps? Any ideas how to lengthen our one naps? Any help accepted xx

[BusterB]

Oh gb18, sorry to hear about your situation - it looks like we are both having a nightmare at the moment!

Our 1 nap day seemed to be going ok, he did 2hr nap which I thought was pretty good.... Then last A ended up being about 4hr30, which meant our day was only 11hr15 long - but by then he was v tired, desperate for boob and fell asleep within about 4 mins of latching on - was the 'best' BT we've had in ages on paper, but I don't think his day was long enough!

He woke up after just 30 mins and has now been WIDE awake for over 2.5 hrs... I thought it was OT but aside from when we are actively trying to get him back to sleep, he's been adorable, giggling and laughing etc, so I think he just treated BT like a nap?!

His dad is walking the streets with him now trying to get him to sleep, but he is just awake!!

Has anyone else had this? How do we stop him doing this?! Help!

[gb18]

Oh no! What a nightmare for u. Did I try feeding him back to sleep? It sounds a little bit to me like he struggles to self soothe himself if he always feeds to sleep. Maybe when he moved into light sleep he struggled to get back to sleep without boob? Could that be ew reason too do u think?

Fwiw, my lo when OT is always happy. Even with nw he will cry but once he has u in the room he is fine, talking etc. Lots of people say this is UT but def not with mine. He went for a 13 hr day with 40 min sleep and was still happy!! Just our lo's nature I guess.

As your baby woke at half hour I would still guess OT and struggling to resettle due to this. I would just have done ant tiny little thing possible to get sleep and not worry if your day is short to begin with. Fingers crossed for a good wu and just try similar tomorrow if get decent nap. After a couple of days I bet lo would be fine ( as long as can self settle). Hth xx ps speaking with u makes me remember how much I loved bf my ds. Stopped 3 months ago now though. Well done for still bf xx

[BusterB]

Thanks gb08 - breastfeeding is mostly great & has the great benefit of being a useful tool to get babies back to sleep, but it pretty much failed me tonight.

So he did a full A time of 4hr10 after his BT/CN  literally just got him to sleep at 11:40pm, on about the 15th attempt of feeding him in that time - was a real battle. He definitely treated BT as a nap, I don't actually think it had anything to do with self settling, it was due to today's routine change I'm positive... I've never seen anything like this behaviour.

He used to self settle all the time & still STTN regularly enough for me to not worry about boob as a prop, but has been needing boob more often recently (SA maybe?) but it's usually a v quick feed & back to sleep - this was a totally different kettle of fish tonight & 100% not prop related in my opinion.

I am now VERY nervous about using the same routine tomorrow - I want to go back to 2 naps as I don't think he's ready for 1 yet and tonight has kind of borne that out! If he was so overtired from the long A times (which weren't actually even long enough to get us through a normal length day!)... that he uses BT as a catnap & then needs a full A, that's not sustainable at all, is it?!

[Kellyjs]

Hi gb18, those NW's every 30mins could be discomfort? Have you tried medicating before the nap and BT to see if it makes a difference? You might be right though and OT has come along. Difficult one as you have nursery, but I suppose you could ride it out and try and offer EBT for now dependant on how the nap goes? I think that's what I'd do and hope the wu stabilises after a few days. It's got to sort itself out as they can't stay OT forever iykwim? Perhaps he'll just crash one night and sleep for 12+ hrs and catch up?

Omg Busterb, no we've never had that, O does EBT really well. I think she has a strong body clock and knows BT is close. As you said, I suppose today will have to be another one nap day provided wu was at a reasonable hour. Is his bedroom dark enough to convince him it's BT? That's the only thing I can think of? I'd be tempted to put some dark towels or something over the window if you have to do that again?

Big ((hugs)) to you both.

[BusterB]

Omg Busterb, no we've never had that, O does EBT really well. I think she has a strong body clock and knows BT is close. As you said, I suppose today will have to be another one nap day provided wu was at a reasonable hour. Is his bedroom dark enough to convince him it's BT? That's the only thing I can think of? I'd be tempted to put some dark towels or something over the window if you have to do that

Hehe... I'd love to post a photo of his room Kelly - we have a gro-blind that blacks out the windows, blackout curtains AND I have a towel hung over the rail!!! It's as dark as I can get it - but still not dark enough. I don't think what happened last night  was to do with that though, it was a body clock thing.... his day was too short but he was overtired.... Obviously a dangerous combo. He was awake at 5:30am and tough to resettle but got there eventually.

I loathe & detest EBT... they don't suit my little one at all and never have. That is going to make this transition really tough for us 

I woke him up at 7:40am and will be doing 2 naps today. I can't cope with a repeat of yesterday - was at total end oft tether by end of it, and as he's only had 8 hours slept the risk of serious OT if I push him today is too much for me to bear! Thank you for the hug - much needed this morning. Hope things are ok your end?

[Kellyjs]

Oh bless you, I can just imagine that window!! I admire your patience with your lo's short nights I think I would've lost the plot by now. Yep, as yours refuses EBT I'd have done two naps today too. Wouldn't fancy doing that again in a hurry.

Things are ok here but not great. Unsettled night and she threw up in tescos this morning. She does seem happier now she was sick, but I don't know how long that'll last! She ended up having a mammoth 3hr nap yesterday as I couldn't wake her, but she didn't fall asleep until nearly 8pm which is very late for her. So sick or not, I'm back to capping that nap. I just hope it passes quickly as it's her first bday on Friday! Xx

[MarciaMSPT]

Whew... thought we had switched to one nap but like they said, some days it's not just one!  My LO still sleeps his nap great and I'm not complaining but he only slept 1.5 hours yesterday instead of his normal 2+... no complaints but then had to take him for a 10 min CN car nap... the little stinker then decided that he didn't need to fall asleep until 8:15pm instead of his normal 8.  Oh well... not complaining!  I do know that I've got to manipulate his little power nap so that he's got plenty of A time before bed or it's a flop!

Doing a little snack before nap and just waiting till 2:30ish for next meal or even 1:30 if that's when he wakes.

My LO has had a runny nose for about a week... should this go on this long if it's teething?  Wondering if he's go allergies of some sort or is allergic to a new food.  No temp and running nose is clear...just seems miserable at times... we do live in Indiana which seems to be the allergy king state in the US!

[Kellyjs]

Oh we're definitely teething here too Marcia. Runny nose and dribbling like crazy. It's been on and off for over 2 months now. Id doubt allergies for your LO, and blame the teeth! O is just screaming at everything atm and refusing to eat much in the way of solid food. Even her bottle.. She only just took 5oz before bed. I'm so worried she's not eating enough.

I think with the molars and canines it can go on a lot longer than the incisors. They move about a lot under the gum at this age and can cause pain even though they're not quite broken through yet. By the way O is acting, they'd better come soon or she'll be packed off to grandma and granddad's for a few months until it's over 

Keep an eye on that 1.5 hr nap.. I thought O was creeping into OT when that started happening. Turned out she needed another bump in A. Had to add another 30mins on and she reverted back to the longer nap. Well that was before all this craziness started anyway. Xx

[BusterB]

Another nightmare bedtime  from waking from his nap at 4pm to finally staying asleep was just shy of 6 hours. He fell asleep feeding at 4hr A but woke a few mins later & was wide awake for further 2 hrs.

Am going to try a much shorter catnap tomorrow morning & earlier PM nap to give us more time to extend the A before bed. This is getting silly now!

[debo620]

my daughter has a cold too and we seem to be a bit stuck too, sometimes two naps if she had a rough night etc.

last night was reasonable but early waking at 7
nap 12-1:45
bed 7:30
and she has already woken at 8 for about 10 min so def OT, and up again now at 8:40- or she may have just been awake this whole time...uugh

it seems like she can only truly handle 5 hrs on either side of the nap but if she is having a 2 hr nap Im not sure she will do a 12hr night..bedtime should have been earlier tonight but we were at a BBQ with family and dint quite make it home early enough.
I might try it for tomorrow though depending on our night tonight etc..