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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #375 on: July 02, 2014, 05:48:33 am »
Hey deb, well that's better than before isn't it? Yep, I'd definitely try an earlier BT if you can. O did manage 12 hr nights in the beginning hen we transitioned. If not, you can always do a two nap day to get back to a reasonable BT then try again the next day? 5hrs either side is apparently the 'ideal' during the 2-1 I've read. I think it's promising!!

Poor you again Busterb, this is getting silly isn't it? Are you sure you don't want to try set nap, BT for a week and see how  it goes, ride out the OT and see if he finally settles into a reasonable BT? Your LO is obviously like marcia's and needs a long a before BT. Xx



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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #376 on: July 02, 2014, 06:53:23 am »
If 'riding out the OT' means more >4 hour A's after BT, I'm not sure I'd cope!!  :o

If we were going to do more set times, my biggest struggle is the A before bed, as after about 3.5hrs he gets upset & literally has half his body down my top wanting milk & there is only so much I can distract him & delay that feed.... so I need my husband's help to take him away & keep him busy until we're ready to do bedtime. Most week OH works late 2 nights a week but this week it's every night, so can't do it at the moment.

My other rather big issue is the 10/10.5hr nights.... the whole of my baby's life we have not been able to do same routine 2 days in a row - is impossible with the ratio of day to night being so uneven... so I might be able to do a one nap day today, but then tomorrow the day would be far too much of a jump in A times to get us to set BT..... so he wouldn't get any consistency.... So I kinda feel, what's the point starting down that path... better to stay flexible and figure out A times that work better with 2 naps too?!
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #377 on: July 02, 2014, 18:38:57 pm »
If he's getting upset at 3.5hrs, have you tried to do BT then?? I have a feeling he might be telling you that it's BT now! O does 4hrs quite happily before bed... Much more means OT. Could that be what's happening with yours dyt? That he's getting his second wind and that's why BT is such a nightmare atm? It wouldn't be an unreasonable A to bed at his age you know...

The whole idea about set naps is to regulate a lO's rhythm. Perhaps that's what yours needs be it one nap or two? Just find the right A's that work ish and continue doing the same at exactly the same time of day regardless of wu? If anything it might teach him what time BT is as it's all getting rather too crazy atm. But obviously it's totally up to you, I'm just thinking out loud.

Oh and big hugs about your OH's late nights.. Got that here too with DH atm. He rarely gets to see O much at the moment which is sad xx



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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #378 on: July 02, 2014, 20:35:46 pm »
Yup - tried following his cues and either he just takes his 'bedtime' feed and is wide awake, which means I'm low on milk when he is ready for bed & can't use that feed to get him to sleep or he falls asleep and does an UT nap....

I did a few things today though which may have helped;
          Didn't have any caffeine
          Tin foiled his windows as the blind/curtain/towel combo wasn't cutting it!
          Did 1 nap with 5hr A either side - was really tough, but just set my mind to it & managed by myself           (not sure I'd cope every night though!)

He was def entering OT as I started his BT feed and did acrobatics for first half but then relaxed. He just woke at 1hr20 (if he makes it past 40m this is his other usual w/u)... but fed back to sleep in 10mins!

So far, so good though... it's an improvement! Will have to see what night is like.

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #379 on: July 02, 2014, 23:29:57 pm »
We're not here yet, but looking in advance.
Could you explain why  we cap the morning nap and not turn the arvo one  into a CN? also, as first a time moves out, doesn't that make first nap shorten too (through having to wake them up at a certain time)?? how is a time affected after a capped nap?

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #380 on: July 03, 2014, 03:41:53 am »
3littlemen, there are two ways to go about this....

either leave the morning nap where it is at lets say 4hrs A time and then cap it so that the afternoon one is not refused and or is brought forward..
so
wake 7
nap 11-11:30
nap 2:30-4
bed 7:00/7:30

or let them sleep as long as possible for first nap and let afternoon nap be shorter
so wake 7
nap 11:00-12:30
nap 4:30-5
bed 7

we were at scenario 2 for about 6 weeks until Julia started refusing the pm nap, which is the problem with letting them sleep for however long for the first one. I could theoretically try then to cut morning nap so that afternoon is brought earlier and not refused except that that means I am stuck around the house and with two older boys it just won't work for the summer...
so instead I started pushing out the morning nap until it was occurring around 12 but this is not perfect as most days it still leaves not enough time to squeeze in a catnap and too much time until bed..

last night wasn't great but we had a 7:55 wake-up. so nap was 12:20-1:50, not long enough unfortunately, tried for early bedtime at 7:10 but that resulted in a lot of crying and eventually I had to re-BF just to get her somewhat drowsy and she was asleep by 7:40...so not sure if she got a second wind or what..
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #381 on: July 03, 2014, 05:02:08 am »
Thanks Deb, much appreciated.
The only reason I ask is that I know we always end up with an afternoon nap, but can't remember how we got there. I wonder then if I'm better off just sticking to where I am. Bear in mind we're just getting sorted out after being sick/teeth "something', but it looks like this

wu between 6-6.40
first nap 9/9.40 for about 55min (he does this all by himself)
second nap 1.20/2pm or so (1h30+ have started to cap this at 1h30 or no later than 3.30pm anyway
bt 7

Our first a time suggests an UT nap, but do I leave as is or keep pushing out a time??? This is probably a nap board question, but you ladies sound like you're all in the  thick of it, so would like to know what's working - or not!

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #382 on: July 03, 2014, 05:47:20 am »
Hi 3littlemen, personally I'd leave the morning nap where it is until you get EW. You'll just have to find what works for you as Deb said. You might find the shorter am, longer pm works for a while, then you might have to change it depending on what happens!

We had EW and refusal of BT so for us it made sense to have a massive first A, shorter second A for an UT nap, then an even shorter A to bed. However, going further through the 2-1, now if O needs 2 naps, I do a quick 10 mins in the car early around 8.30am to get her to her usual one nap time iykwim?

If that second nap gets shorter, and you don't want to lengthen the day anymore, then I would look at shaving 10mins or so off that first nap, at least then you can keep to your nap times. But in the mean time, if it's not broke don't fix it!!

I'm off to go and wake O up! We were out for the day yesterday, so there was a 45mins car nap at 10, then refused a nap at my friends, then a 10mins car nap in the way back at 5 (I woke her), still didn't fall asleep until 7.30  ::). On the plus sued the night was a little better and she ate more yesterday, I'm hoping the teething/feeling poorly is over now for a bit xx



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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #383 on: July 03, 2014, 09:27:11 am »
Well im joining in the fun of 2-1 too. We have just travelled abroad and will be here for 15 days so ill see if i can figure out his routine a bit more whilst we are here. os is LSN he can handle a long A time in fact to get a decent first nap he literally needs to be falling asleep on me. I dont like it but anything to get a first good nap really. And we have the silly ahort second one and NW. Oh the fun of baby sleep!
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #384 on: July 05, 2014, 04:02:59 am »
Hi all,

Just joining in on the 2-1 nap journey. We just started "officially" this past Monday. It's been 6 days and so far, it's going okay. We went cold turkey. My son will be 18 months on Sunday and he was still really enjoying his 2 naps a day at 1.5 hours each, however his A times we gradually increasing. Not to mention, some mornings we have his toddler groups like music and story time and those start between 9:30  and 10am, which was his normal am nap time. On those days he was still doing down for a nap as soon as we'd get home around 11am, I'd cap those naps at about 40 minutes. But he started to get cranky when I would wake him early. He would still go down for his pm nap, but those times were getting later and later, but he would typically always fall to sleep. The real issue became bedtime. We'd start our routine at 6:30 with bathtime and story and put him in the crib by 7/7:15. In days past, he would talk himself to sleep in about 15 minutes and then sleep until about 6:45/ 7am. But in the last month, we'd lay him down at the same time and he would fool around in his crib for an hour, sometimes 1.5! Not going to sleep until almost 9pm. And then wake up at the same time in the am and be exhausted, thus requiring an am nap. Then delaying that pm nap until sometimes 3:30pm, causing a vicious cycle. we'd had enough and decided cold turkey was best because I know he can handle a longer A time based on his behavior on the mornings we have scheduled groups.

Now, I've been keeping him engaged in the mornings, always leaving home 9am and spending time in the park or at the playground, running errands and going to our groups. Snacks and engagement have been really helpful. I've moved his lunch to 11am and then naptime is usually about 11:30/11:45. He still takes about 15minutes or to fall asleep once I leave him in the crib. Two days we've had OT tantrums at the tail end of lunch. With his  growing independence, he wants to do something himself and can't quite do it and it sets him off...I know it's the OT that causes the frustration and meltdown.

So the one nap is lasting 1.5 hours consistently. One morning he slept late until 7:45am and didn't fall asleep for his nap until 1pm and that nap lasted 2 hours. We've moved bedtime anywhere from 5:45-6:30pm and it's been going well. We've had a couple NW where we put him right back to sleep or he does it himself and he's sleeping until between 6:45-7:15am each day.

I am just wondering about how long will it take for the nap to stretch a bit longer. And if I am in danger of building up OT, since he's having NWs a couple of nights. Any input is appreciated!
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #385 on: July 05, 2014, 11:33:35 am »
Hey ladies, we made our trip to the east coast (just in time for a hurricane! Yay! Ugh!) DD was doing awesome in that she was waking at 9...going to bed at 9 with a 2-2.5 hour nap...but everyday the wake up gets a tad earlier and as a result the bedtime does too. So now we are up at 7:30 and bed will obviously be 7:30 tonight. How do I stop this from continuing and ending up back at a 6 WT and BT? Typically now her morning A is 5 hours and her nap to BT is 5 hours.

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #386 on: July 05, 2014, 13:31:19 pm »
Hi friends!  I haven't read each post in great detail but I see a lot of NW problems.  Just from my experience... our little guy is now 12.5 months and the NW were most always our LO telling us that he needed more A time during the day...  I took the plunge and just decided to cut out the 10 min car ride CN altogether if he wakes up anytime after 1:30 from morning nap which starts at 12 at the moment.

We seem to be coming out of the awful wonder week as well and our LO is now crawling... he nap went from 2.5 hours to now 1.5 hours... again, his body telling him that he needs less over all sleep.  He still goes down about 8 or 8:15ish and sleeps till 7am. 

I hope that helps anyone.  If you have specific questions as to our strategy etc, holler.

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #387 on: July 05, 2014, 14:12:27 pm »
Funny you should post that Marcia - my 10.5mo son had a weird day yesteday and I'm trying to decipher what happened!

Was a 1 nap day with 5hr A either side of the nap.... but the nap was 45mins then he woke, I fed back to sleep and he slept another 40mins so approx total 1.5hr nap.... he went to bed easily enough after 5hrs but stirred at 1hr20 and then was WIDE awake from 2am - 4:15am.... not really upset, not in pain, nothing wrong that I could tell.... just awake. Was the longest NW we've ever had I think.

I presume it is OT? We've only recently pushed to 5hr A as he is still pretty young, so I cant imagine that he needs more awake time with only a disrupted 1.5 nap all day?

Having said that, today he had a 5hr45 A before his first nap as we were out & about and he has already been asleep for 1hr30... so maybe he does need it pushing?

I'm very confused between OT/UT during this transition and now i'm not sure if I should wake him as otherwise BT is going to be about 9pm!!

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #388 on: July 06, 2014, 15:09:47 pm »
We are now officially on one nap. For those of you who are as well...what are your A times before and after nap?

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #389 on: July 06, 2014, 16:00:17 pm »
Not strictly a 2-1 question but ere goes. How tired is your LO close to their nap? os needs a long A time to get a decent nap, and to keep him going i walk around with him, else he might fall asleep! He is not very mobile, i suspect it would get easier when he starts properly crawling? And how do u go about driving and going places, Os falls asleep so easily in the car, so im trying to hold on to 2 naps for as long as possible.
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