Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26

[Scottishmummy]

Glad your nights are getting better & K's A time is getting back to normal.  Not long until clock change to sort those EWs too (hopefully).  We went for 1pm for DS's birthday- it's another week away so I'm really hoping he's back on track by then. We're all over the place this week & I feel like I did in the newborn stage when I just don't know what I'm doing, when he needs to sleep or for how long.

So far this week we've had 30-40 min naps at best . Yesterday was his first day at nursery (he's doing mornings only this week) & he fell asleep in car on way there & didn't sleep there at all but when I came to collect him his eyes were red he was so tired.  He then only slept 30mins on way home & I AP-ed another 30mins at 4 as he seemed to be flagging- then it took from 7-8pm to get him to go to sleep. 
Today he slept 35mins at nursery 10.15-10.50 and I put him down at 3pm at home. He fell into a really deep sound sleep so I left him until 4 but then woke him as I didn't want him sleeping too long late afternoon. He was distraught to be woken.  I was going to aim for 8pm bed but he then seemed really tired around 6.30 so we started BT routine but didn't get him down until 7.30, by which time he seemed pretty exhausted. It's now 7.45 mins and I can hear him on monitor still shuffling about in cot trying to get to sleep. 
I just feel like I'm constantly messing up this week & feel guilty that he has to go to childcare & guilty we're away this weekend   
I'm home with him tomorrow so will hopefully be able to watch for cues & work out what A times he is coping with & give my mum a guide....although she'll still do her own thing 

[lolsyb1982]

Oh Scottishmummy that's exactly how I've felt the past 2 weeks. Every day is a complete guessing game.  Hopefully he'll settle into nursery quickly and start sleeping for longer. Nice day at home with mummy tomorrow will help 
I had the exact same guilty feelings when K's naps went wrong at the cm's.

Oh I spoke too soon. She had an hour this afternoon 2.30-3.30 (was only meant to give her 45 mins but lost track of time) went to bed at 6.30 with no fuss but has woken up after 45 mins and it's an hour later and she's still not asleep??? Don't get it. Not the usual OT early wu as she normally settles easily then. UT perhaps?
Oh she's just gone off. Who knows what kind of night we'll have???

[LovelyLilyandJack]

Just popping back in to drop off some (((hugs))). I tried an earlier nap time last week and got a lot of very short naps, which lead to an OT end of the week so I know how frustrating it is.  On the plus side we've had a week of great nights!  I'm sure it won't last but J always astounds me over how well he does on such little sleep! That said, he had me up at 5.30 this morning cos he was sick and had a nasty nappy. So we may get another EW tomorrow morning. The 2-1 is even more brutal when they're ill though.  No wonder neither of you know if you're coming or going!

[Scottishmummy]

Thanks LL&J- we'll get there eventually. Glad you're getting some good nights- will you keep up earlier nap or go back to a later longer one?

How was your night, Lolsyb?

DS slept until 6 this morning but was then really tired & ready to sleep by. 9.30. I planned to wake him at 10 & try short am/long pm but I just couldn't do it- he's been so tired from illness and nursery and was so upset when I woke him yesterday afternoon- so I closed the curtains again & am letting him sleep. So back to the nap guessing games again today...

[lolsyb1982]

Ugh awake for an hour in the night 1-2 and still up for the day at 5.20 again. She really started to flag after 3.5hr but kept her going until 4.5hr. Was OT when I put her down so not sure how long this nap will be? Feel like I have to start really pushing this 1st A even with a bad night so just gonna battle through any OT I think and stick to at least 4.5hr.

I'm sure last nights problems were UT even though she didn't fight bed so am going to def cap at 30 mins this afternoon if we get a good am. DH and I are out tonight so mum and dad are in charge of getting her to bed. Hoping she doesn't play up for them and stays asleep until we get home at least. I always feel bad when they're having to try to resettle her and she's crying.

Hope you have a better day Scottishmummy and enjoy your weekend away  x

[green100]

Oh the guilt! Scottishmummy you said it perfectly. 

Had a good day yesterday.  A times were all 3.5 hours.  But she did a 35 min am nap which she self capped then an almost 2 hour pm nap then sttn from 730 to 6am. Hoping for a repeat today.  It's keeping a good routine going and progressively extending the A time that might be hard over the next few weeks worth moving, daycare transition and my return to work. 

[yujai]

Hi ladies! Need some suggestions on the transition!

My son will turn one in a week.  He used to have a pretty regular schedule with two 1.5 hours naps.  Sometimes he will be sleeping more in the morning, sometimes a little bit more in the afternoon. 

This week he started to fight/skip afternoon nap. First day, he slept for 2.5 hours in the morning, and skipped the afternoon nap (We struggled for an hour and I finally gave up.  He was obviously not tired, keep wants to get up and crawl towards me).  Second day, he slept 1.5 hours in the morning as usual, then fought for 45 minutes in fell asleep) and I woke up after 1:15 hours to accommodate the bedtime in 3 hours.  Third day, I woke him up after 1.5 hours in the morning and afternoon nap.  He didn't fight much for the second nap this time.

Do you think he is ready for the transition?  He is usually extremely happy when he skipped nap, but he is obviously very tired during the bedtime routine. 

[Layla]

Hi Yujai and welcome

I probably wouldn't let him skip the afternoon nap too many days in a row... he may get into an overtired mess, which could start to affect his nights and/or wake up time.

He is already in the transition . If you see he is continually skipping the afternoon nap, you can try the other option/shorter am/longer pm nap and wake him up 45mins into the morning nap so that he sleeps longer in the afternoon and bedtime is still at a decent hour. Or you could let him sleep up to 1.5hrs and maybe he just needs a little more A before the afternoon nap (try 3.5hrs to start with) and not let him sleep longer than 45mins to preserve bedtime.

During the transition period, babies often have longer days so you may not always be able to have him asleep by his usual bedtime, in the case where his afternoon nap started later than usual

Don't be in a hurry to push him towards 1 nap as he may not be ready for that just yet and you may have to continue to regulate his daytime sleep/wake him from naps, etc... until he is really ready for 4.5-5hrs A, which may take a couple of months. Some babies do the transition in a matter of days/weeks but others take longer...

You may also have days where he sleeps past his usual wake up time and if that is the case, I would aim for 1 nap day, around 4hrs from the time he wakes up and let him sleep as long as he wants (don't wake him).
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How is everyone else going? We've had some shocking days lately. She's sick again (I can see 2 bottom teeth coming through) and I let her sleep yesterday without waking so she had a 2hr morning nap and another 1.5 in the pm and was awake crying at 5.15am. I fed her and she went back to sleep till 7am. Today though we had to go out and she fell asleep for 10mins in the car at around 10am and I put her down at 12.30pm in the afternoon and she only slept 45mins. She was so exhausted by bedtime. I put her down at 5.30 (that's the earliest I could do) and we've already had an OT wake up just now and I had to pat her to sleep. I think she'll wake early again tomorrow. She's been doing so well sleeping through, I really hate these early wake ups and I don't like feeding her back to sleep but I know nothing else will work! I just hope that once we're on one nap, she won't need it anymore. It's not everyday but when it does happen, I worry it will be a prop!

I am back at work on Monday . I am so sad about leaving her... I just hope mum sticks to my routine, which has been working relatively well (except when she gets sick!)

[lolsyb1982]

Hi Layla. These teeth really do disrupt everything! We have a couple on there way too but they're coming through pretty slowly.
K's over the tonsilitis now and back to her usual cheeky self although she's not sleeping through anymore  can't work out what's causing the NW?? She doesn't seem in pain from the teeth and I do give meds.

Begging to get back to the 5am starts like before 

Good luck for the return to work and fingers crossed your mum sticks to the plan

[lolsyb1982]

How was everyone's weekend?

We've had a fairly decent one sleep wise. We had a 6.30 wu this morning!!!! (after a late CN yesterday on way home from a bday party, although very hyper and struggled to get her to bed) back to 4.5hr A time and she had a 2.5hr nap at 11!!! Was hoping she would have a short CN in the car on the way home today about 5 so we could do another later BT but didn't so have had to do EBT instead at 6 so back to early mornings tom 

Hoping those A times might stretch to 5hrs soon!

[Scottishmummy]

Sounds like you're getting closer to 1 nap, Lolsyb - yeah! Hope she has a good night tonight.

Layla- Hope first week back at work is ok & your mum doesn't mess up your routine too much.

Hope your days are going well, green100.

I don't know what's happening with naps & A time at all at moment. DH & I were away at a wedding this weekend so Ben was with mum. She always puts him down early & will only cap a nap if total day sleep is more than 2 hours. So the last few days have looked like this:

Fri 2 hr nap 9.30-11.30; 10min buggy nap at 4; asleep 7pm-6am
Sat: 30min nap 9.30-10; 1hr15nap 1.30-2.45; asleep 7pm-6am
Sun 1hr15nap 9.30-10.45 1hr nap 2.30-3.30(she woke him, he would have slept longer) attempted bedtime by me at 7- still hearing him shuffling about on the monitor now at 7.15

Back with me tomorrow but I literally have no idea how long his A times should be or how long to let him sleep. Not felt this ignorant about his routine for a long time.

[lolsyb1982]

Is he still poorly? Took a good few days after Kitty was better for her A times to go back to what they were pre illness. His nights are still good even with the different naps. K's nights aren't 100%. Still getting a brief wu. Maybe you need to try going back to set naps again as before and see if he adjusts after a few days?

Yes slowly getting to 1 nap. Could be another month or 2 yet though 

[Scottishmummy]

He's not got a temperature now but still has a cough and sounds rutty so maybe still not back to full health.

Was it K's party this weekend?

[lolsyb1982]

No K's is this Saturday. Was one of the little boys from our baby group. Our next few weekends are all 1st bday parties!!!

1 nap was a success. She sttn which we haven't had for a couple of weeks and had just over 11 hours. I think 1 nap could be what she needs just not quite ready for it yet with the slightly too short A times.

[Scottishmummy]

Yeah! That's great Lolsyb - sounds like she's pretty ready for it.

It's now 6.45 & DS is still asleep & not heard a peep all night- so he's getting close to a 12hr night  we've never had that- ever. His weekend with Grandma must have exhausted him.