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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2014, 07:36:26 am »
Layla- we was doing short am/long pm but when I stretched her first A to 4.5hrs I wanted to see how long her naps would be and they're great! I feel bad waking her now she has a much longer A.


This morning she woke at 4.45 after 7pm bed!!! Fed her and thankfully she went back off until 6.15.

I've tried giving her a longer sleep in the afternoon as well as am so that she goes to bed at 7 in the hope she may sleep til 5.30 but it isn't changing wu and although the last A isn't long I think her days are too long in general which could maybe be causing OT and the early wu????
so trying a micro afternoon nap today if we get another super morning one and bed at 6.30 to keep her day to 12 hours.
Really need to get to 1 nap ASAP and we're close with the longer A and 2 hr nap but think we need 5hr A before we can really give it a go plus the help of the clocks changing in a couple of weeks.

Scottishmummy - usually I leave her in her cot until she really has had enough and wants out. We then still keep it dark and milk is usually at 6.

LL&J sounds like you might have stumbled across something there. Try it for a few days, here's hoping you've found the answer (for now until it all changes again)
It really is just one constant experiment with these babies isn't it!



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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2014, 14:52:30 pm »
Ok so today we've had nap 10.45-1!!!

Do you think I should try BT of 6 and no cn or 15min cn and 6.30 bed? Her longest A is the first so not sure if 5hrs will be too much?!
She woke 6.15 this morning.
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2014, 19:36:45 pm »
Amazing nap, Lolsyb - very jealous! And great that she went back to sleep this morning. What did you decide to do? Sorry not been on here since first thing this morning.

Sounds like it's worth experimenting with a less day sleep & a longer last A time, LL&J.  It's all such trial & error with these babies.

I'm such a nap scaredy cat! DS slept 11-12.20 today but despite saying that if he slept over an hour we'd try EBT, I still APOP-ed a cn for 10mins at 4pm.  He was still very ready for bed at 7 though, so maybe still needs it?
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2014, 20:07:45 pm »
I know these long naps are brilliant. We've never had anything over 1.5hr so not sure where they've come from? Must be the longer A? Its still not enough yet to see her through til bed. AP'd a 15 min cn in the car. Didn't think she was going to fall asleep but slept 4.15-4.30. Think was slightly OT by bed though. Put down at 6.20. Fussed for a bit and asleep at 6.40. Didn't drink all her milk so hoping she doesn't get hungry  :-*

If we had your wake up and you had our nap we'd have a perfect routine!!

I think as long as your nights are ok and a decent wu then stick with the micro 2nd nap for now. If he's ready for bed at 7 and sleeping til 6 then it can't be doing any harm!

Ok update...

We had an hours nw at 10.45 and woke for the day at 5.25. Thinking should have put to bed slightly earlier. Going to try that again tue and see what happens.

Who knows what today will bring at the cm!!

« Last Edit: March 10, 2014, 07:33:00 am by lolsyb1982 »
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2014, 04:16:44 am »
Ok I'm in desperate need of some nap help!
My 16 month old just started the transition from 2 naps to 1 nap.  When he was on 2 naps he would nap for about and hour/ hour 10 min each nap. Since going to 1 nap, his nap is still only about an hour/hour 10! It's like he's stuck on that amount! What do I do?
He sleeps through the night and has for a while so I know he can transition through sleep cycles fine.
I have also tried leaving him in his crib for a full 2 hours to get him used to that time but he just stands/lays down/ plays but never falls back to sleep.
We have been doing this for about a week now. Here is our schedule.
Thank you for your help!

6:45 (I wish he would sleep longer)
Wake, eat, play

9:30 snack

12:00 lunch

12:30 nap

1:30/40 wake (this is where I have been trying to leave him in his crib)

2:30 wake, snack, play

4:30 snack

6:00/6:30 dinner

7:00 bath time

8:00 story time, bedtime

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2014, 06:08:18 am »
Hi Tiffany

Is he waking happy from his nap? If so he may be UT? Have you tried playing with the nap time, making it 15 mins later/earlier and see if it makes any difference.

Our lo's on this thread are all much younger than yours so we are still working towards one nap. There is a 2-1 sticky on the toddler board so you may want to run your routine past those ladies to get some more help but someone else on here might have some more ideas for you.

I like your comment about his 6.45 wu time. My DD has been waking at 5 for weeks now and the others are all up by 6 so you're doing well with 6.45!!!

This transition isn't easy is it  :)
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2014, 14:51:03 pm »
Hi Tiffany, you might want to try the Toddler sleep board.  I'm not sure what is a normal amount of A time or sleep for a 16mo.  Could that be all he needs? I find that an hour nap is usually UT for us.   Could he start his nap any later?

DS woke at 5.30 this morning.  My mum has him today so I still said 11am for naptime, knowing she'd put him down early.  She sent a text to say he slept 10.50-13.00! So it looks like 5hr15/30 is what we need for a good nap. Not going to have a cn today and wondering when to do BT.  Another 5hr30 would be 6.30 but his second A time after a good nap is usually longer than first so he might last until 7. Hmmm, trying to weigh up risk of EW from too early bed against poor sleep from being potentially OT.

ETA- it seems a huge amount of A time for an 11mo, but if it's what he needs, it's what he needs...
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2014, 15:02:36 pm »
Scottishmummy - wow thats a brilliant nap! if they continue to be that long I think you may have cracked the 2-1!!!!  ;)

A 13.5hr day on 1 nap sounds quite long to me but if he is handling long A times plus over a 2.5hr nap then could well last until 7.  LL&J might be able to help with that as Jack has similar A times I think..
He really has upped them hasn't he the past couple of weeks! 

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2014, 18:26:01 pm »
DD is 11 months old and we are struggling with the 2-1 transition.  For some time she was doing 1 long nap, like 1.5 hrs and 1 shorter nap about 45 min each day, sometimes the longer nap was in the morning sometimes in the afternoon. Then in the last month naps have been 45 or less and waking has been getting earlier 6:15 is a good day, 5am is a not so good day. So i was trying to increase her first A time slowly and cap the am nap at 30 min, give a slightly shorter second A time aiming for a longer pm nap. Works sometimes, early waking is on going. DD sometimes wakes early from the am nap I'm trying to cap at 30 min, waking at around 20 min. She also tends to fall asleep during bf with all these short naps, especially in the morning when i'm capping a nap.

Today, with the clocks going forward yesterday, she woke at 7am, at 4.75 hours A time (longest yet) she was showing sleepy signs put her down took about 15 min of happy settling to sleep, but woke up 1 hr later happy and did not fall asleep with bf.  We'll do an early bed time. Should we try and extend short naps and how to do it?

Any tips are appreciated. I feel like every day she does something a little different and i'm not sure how to tweak the routine. She's starting daycare in a month and they have expressed a preference to have her do a single nap starting at 12:30. It looks like it might not be too much of a stretch, but she'll need to be napping more then an hour.  Thanks!

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2014, 18:55:21 pm »
Hi green100! My DS is the same age as your DD & we had a similar pattern as you but cutting the short nap really short. For us short naps, playing in the cot before falling asleep and waking after only an hour usually means UT.  Could you try extending her first A time more? You could AP a short cn late afternoon if you need it to get to bedtime.


ETA: went for a 6.30 BT but it ended up being 6.40 & DS was falling asleep on the bottle & as I was cleaning his teeth then woke crying 20mins after I'd put him down so probably OT :-( wonder what sort of night & wu we'll get.
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2014, 19:43:45 pm »
Was just coming to see what you ended up doing. Fingers crossed for a good night.

Not sure how our nights going to go?? Naps are going from bad to worse at the cm. I despair with them. 15 mins on way back from school and 35 at lunch  :'(

Poor thing was so tired on way home. Fell asleep in the car, woke her up after 10 mins and she was just so quiet and just clung to me I pretty much gave her a bottle put in pj's and straight to bed. Think she was asleep at 6.10. Her OT wakings usually happen 3/4 hrs after bed so see what happens 9/10 this evening. An 11.5hr night would be nice. Going to try feeding her again if she wakes early tom and get her back down.
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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2014, 20:07:18 pm »
Woohoo! Sounds like you're pretty much through the 2-1, Scottishmummy! :) I know I'm too late for bedtime today but I found with J that he could generally handle the odd long day, for the sake of avoiding an EBT / early WU loop. When we got to where you are we went to one set nap and bedtime and stuck with it.  It took J a couple of weeks to stabilise (during which time he also started sleeping a little less again), but we soon stabilised into fairly predictable WU, set nap and bedtime.  How much sleep do you think he'll do in 24hrs? That kind of dictates how long our days are.  With a 2hr nap, Jack will only do a 10.5hr night, so that gives us 13.5hrddays.  Though I am playing with that.  How many hours in 24 do you think your LO will do?

Lolsyb - sorry to hear naps aren't going well at the cm.  I feel your pain.  The longest jack has slept at nursery ever in one go is 40 minutes. It's especially hard when you're going through a transition,  cos it makes it so hard to know where you are. How many days a week is she there?



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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2014, 20:20:49 pm »
She's there 3 days. Mon,wed,thur. The first 6/8 weeks went great there and she was napping 45 mins in the morning and 1.5hr after lunch but now it's all gone wrong!!!

Can't see them getting better there until 1- her wu's get later and 2-she can handle an A time which will take her to 12.30ish... Could be ages yet!!!! Agh!!

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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2014, 21:16:52 pm »
At least you get Tuesdays to catch up then.  It's horrid when it affects the whole week though :( You might find she just suddenly ups her A's and you get there quicker than you think,  though.  Both jack and Scottishmummy's LO did that.  Hope it doesn't go on too long for you.



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Re: Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2014, 05:50:28 am »
LL&J- I think our LOs are sleep twins! A 10.5 hr night after yesterday's 2 hr nap...so a 5.10wu.  He did seem to go back to sleep again for maybe 15-20mins once I'd got up and was sorting the cat before going to him so I'll count 5.30 as start to the day.  I don't think I can push last A time much more- he was exhausted.  Is this the point that you did a 5pm cn to get a 8/8.30 BT & a later wu?
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