5m old - 45m nap all day/night

[weaver]

Oops, sorry I got confused there, Linhi.  Ali is totally right!

[Linhi]

Thank both for great help.

Its getting better at nap. There was one nap she slept through, so at least i get s little rest. The other nap just need come to pat once more and she slept well, even pass the feed time so we had to wake her up @@ (is that because she ot?)

But it getting worse for bedtime. Our bedtime routine stay the same since birth: bath - bottle - bed. When we put dd down, we turn on white noise. If she cries we pat her, Before we just need to lay dd down, pat a few and then she slept, sometimes she had nw but not a lot. Now we have to pat more and more each day... Its really hard to settle dd to sleep. She doesnt cry out, sometimes she is being quiet,  we keep patting but then i dont know why all of sudden, being total awake. Today it took me 30'...  Im feeling stuck, i talked with my dh. If it getting worse, i'd rather give her paci. Im almost cant stand of it. Is patting become prop? If yes, how do we wean of that


Ps: also i tried 1 arm out but dd keep scratching face/ear, pulling hair which makes her more upset. I guide her hand to mouth, she suck but then when thumb out she awake  or sometimes dd just keep biting finger which doesnt help dd settle also. So we decided to swaddle both arms. I gave dd her bunny too. Sometimes she holds, sometimes not, sometimes using ear to suck but normally it just not work with her. I think because she doesnt know how to yet. We will try again when she get older

Dd now 4,5m, when will i increase her awake time? Is that around the end of every month?

[*Ali*]

Can you post today's easy of what she actually slept with times? Maybe she was OT or UT at BT.

[Linhi]

7.30: wu
7.45 e
9.15:s
11.15 -11.30: wake up (once day she make to 12- i was sleeping too, should inwake her up if she sleep til 12?)
Eat will be around 11.30-12
So now it depend on what time she wu, i will wait 2hrs to pd. i tried to read dd sleepy cue but really cant. Dd even rub eyes, yawn about after wu 1hr; but the next minute can be so vocal.
So i will shh pat if she slept less than 1h30'. Normally will be 2hr (2h30 is max)
5.30-6: catnap
7.15: bath time -> e&s around 7.45 dd already in crib.

On nap time, it really easy to settle her, less than 1minute. It just hard to re-settle. Bedtime is nightmare to us @@. Now she keep waking around 2-5am. Do i need to make new topic in nw forum?

[weaver]

Wow, she's a great sleeper!

Definitely looks UT at BT to me.  The CN is too late, or BT too soon, depending on how you want to look at it.  So you can push BT a bit later, or fit the CN in earlier.

I would say that that's a really long nap in the morning: at least 2 hours, sometimes 2 hours 45 minutes, if I understand correctly.  It is possible that she is not getting tired in the afternoon, when you think she should be, because she has had so much sleep.  And then another nap of up to 2 hr 30.  It's great that she is napping so well.  It is possible with two such long naps that she doesn't need a CN, and the NWs could be to do with simply not being tired, because she's having so much daytime sleep.  Typical amounts of sleep in 24 hours for a 4 mo is around 15-18 hours.  Two 2.5 hour naps plus 12 hours at night = 17 hours, so she is already getting lots even without a CN. Have a look here:
Typical Amounts of Day and Night Sleep

It's up to you, to decide what shape you want for your day, given that she sleeps so well.  It is perfectly fine to wake a baby from a nap, if that's what you decide she needs.  I regularly woke both of mine to preserve feeding times and bed time.

[Linhi]

Really thanks for your reply
I'd try to cut down the nap. Dd used to work well at this pattern & i understand baby change everyday. So that is us - who have to adjust also. We will try and let you know later
Once again, thank all for helping. This is great because we dont know anyone else to ask. In our country, most parent do baby led because we dont have someone like Tracy and we dont have much info. And if baby still waking at 1 year old, we blame for the bb and just accept that, hope one day they grow up and thing will be different

[weaver]

In our country, most parent do baby led because we dont have someone like Tracy and we dont have much info. And if baby still waking at 1 year old, we blame for the bb and just accept that, hope one day they grow up and thing will be different

A lot of people all over the world do that, Linhi.  We're all just lucky to have found BW! Best of luck.

[Linhi]

I come back for update.

I tried to wake to sleep at 20' for the morning nap after we extended the awake time to 2hr and it works but only lasts 3 nap and then i think she has different sleep cycle, so we couldnt wake her 20m point anymore. The evening nap, we still got random result. If  we dont come sh pat her, sometime she can make to 1 hour sleep. And as your advice, i dont let her sleep more than 2hour & bedtime little bit later (10-15m). But dd still wake up at night. I will come re-swaddle her, turn on the white noise, normally she will back to sleep right away. If she cooing, i wont try to sh pat, i let her coo and i get back to sleep just let the white noise on. When i woke up later, dd has broke out the swaddle, sucking thumb and sleep.

Sometimes Dd can sleep by her own. Like this morning, at her a time, i let dd play with her o ball, i fall asleep while watching her (im type of sleep-holic, i use most of y time to sleep. Lol) when open my eyes, dd was sucking thumb and sleep too. But her a time was only 1h30. Why dd sleep when she isnt tired yet? If i let her sleep by her own, a time wont never make to 2hour. Should i wake her up? And  today, she wake before feed time 1hour, i let her play in dark room, wait until she more tired, turn on white noise, but dd only sleep about 10' and become awake, cooing, laughing ... So the a time will be from the last 10' nap or the one before?

And dd will be 5 month old next week. Should i start increase a time now? Actually, im doing +10 min for 3days each. Just waana ask to be sure.

[*Ali*]

Hi how's it going?

Are you still doing the wake to sleep for all her naps? Or is she sleeping for longer naps on her own now?

Have you considered a zip up swaddle like the Woombie brand if she is breaking out? They do convertible ones where you can leave one or both arms out if you like when ready to wean the swaddle.

Yes I would count A times from her wake up from the last 10 mins of her nap assuming it wasn't more than 20-30 mins after her original nap. Many LOs will sleep before their optimal A time but may not take a full nap due to being Undertired. I'd try to distract her if she is sleepy much before her usual A time and you know she is going to short nap because she isn't tired enough. Once she was asleep though I would just let her sleep otherwise you may struggle to get her back to sleep any time soon.

Typical A time for 5mo is 2hr-2hr30 so if she seems happy with 2hrs and is sleeping well I would stick with that for a bit. If she is short napping again then I would add another 10 mins yes.

[Linhi]

Im still doing with stretching a time. DD turns 5m today. Since DD can self-soothe with sucking thumb, i dont bother to do sh-pat anymore. So when it's near time to sleep, i walk her a lil bit in the house and go to the bedroom, told her here is our bedroom, we are going to sleep. And i told her im going to close the curtain, swaddle her let one arm out. She suck a lil bit and fall asleep. If she take a short nap, i will come and said shh - come back to sleep. I tried to pat a few to see whether she is going back to sleep or not. If not, i still let DD in the crib and it only take a while, she sucks her thumb and get back to sleep right away.

Im just wonder, normally it tooks her less than minute to sucking thumb but once in a while, DD need to suck thumb quiet long like 10'. DD suck thumb quietly, eyes close but the sucking just not stop, i once tried to pull the thumb out but it makes her eyes open. So how do we count the sleep time - when DD start suck thumb or when thumb out?

[*Ali*]

If her eyes are closed and don't open again I would count that as sleep.

[Linhi]

Im so tỉred from almost sleepless night. Dd just caught fever but we still try keep her on right schedule (so i wont have to make new topic on Getting back the track board). She is doing well but now we cant put her in swaddle which will cause tempurature going up, but she keep wake up from startle.. We have the sleep positioner which wont cover her alot but it not help. We let her sleep by her side but she only sleep like that for awhile and then roll back.

What should i do? When will baby stop startle when sleeping?

Update: she keeps wake up screAming every hour. We both exhausted. Dd come back to normal temp in the afternoon. I really dont know why she screaming like that. She did it before the fever comes (at that time she swaddled ), now it happen again after the fever gone.
Do you think its because of wonder week? Teething?

[*Ali*]

I expect it is due to the illness. Is it a virus?

Can you swaddle with just a nappy underneath the swaddle and no clothes?

[Linhi]

I use halo sleepsack swaddle. Today nothing diferent, im pretty sure she is on wonderweek 26 - eat less (drop 1 feed today), mood swing and want to be hold most of time. Urgh...
And also my dd starts practicing roll over, crawling, sitting.. I think that wakes her at night too. Thanks alot for your help. I love this forum alot

[weaver]

Well if it's a wonderweek, you just have to ride it out and remember that things will be better next week!  Good luck.