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Can settle for naps but not bedtime
« on: April 06, 2014, 19:47:32 pm »
Hello all,
We are at the end of our tether-any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Our Noah is 19+3 months old (in other words, he was born at 27 weeks) and is a complete fidget. He can drop off to sleep independently for his nap, even if he does have to have a chat with himself and a good tour of his cot first.

Bedtime is completely different. We used the baby whisperer method with our first son, Corey, and he is an amazing sleeper. For some reason it just hasn't worked with Noah. His bedtime routine:

7pm: bottle and book...usually he finishes the bottle and won't sit still for the rest of his brother's book.
Upstairs for bath, get into pyjamas, kisses goodnight. Daddy holds him by the window for a few moments before closing the blinds and putting him down in his cot (on the other side of the room). He usually pushes you away to get into the cot, so it's not a fear problem. Daddy leaves the room (which has a white noise machine on) and Noah rolls around, stands up, talks, chats, yells, etc until he eventually starts to cry. Daddy waits to see if he will settle (it has happened once or twice), then goes in, lays him down and pats his back to calm him. He leaves his hand on his back for a bit and then moves away from the cot without leaving the room to see if he'll settle. It takes four or five tries before he falls asleep...this can be 45 minutes to an hour or even more on really bad days.

Schedule:
Up at 6.50, bottle, dressed and changed
Breakfast at 8
Snack at 11
Nap 12-1 (just recently we've dropped the length of his naps. He honestly probably won't need one for much longer)
Lunch at 2
Small snack at 4.30
Dinner at 6.15
Bedtime as above.

His brother falls asleep about thirty seconds after being tucked in, and could do it the same way even if he'd just been trampolining at a party ten minutes previously. We want them to share a room, but the only attempt we made just resulted in a tearful Corey begging to be allowed to sleep. Noah therefore is still in our room. We'd like them to be together sometime by August if we can just sort this out!

He's now a good sleeper once he's down, I should add. He only wakes if there's a solid reason-illness, teething etc.

Any ideas?
Thank you so much for reading all this!

DualTracy and her Amazing Husband


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Re: Can settle for naps but not bedtime
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2014, 07:08:33 am »
Hi!

Why did you cut the lenght of his nap? The nap to me seems very short for for lenght of the day. I'm wondering if that's the issue - a little past in and so struggles to settle.

You mention your other DS copes well with the routine, how old is he? I am assuming from what you have said he is older and a completely different personality type?

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Re: Can settle for naps but not bedtime
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2014, 12:18:36 pm »
Hi Hena!

We only just reduced his nap. He's been having two hours a day for months now, but at bedtime he was so very clearly not tired that we decided to shorten it. When he's tired it's unmistakable-crying and miserable. (He also goes down like a lead balloon and stays down...we've had to miss his naps on occasions when medical appointments have made it impossible, and bedtime was a snap. Mind you, it wasn't worth it, as he was just a human meltdown by then.)

He has never seemed to need as much sleep as you'd expect. You're right, Kid 1 is very different there. I need a cattle prod and a lasso to get him up some mornings, and that's after a nice long sleep!

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Re: Can settle for naps but not bedtime
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2014, 13:02:50 pm »
Just a thought.... Did you think about pushing the nap out rather than capping it?

I find that this helps to make DD more tired for the nap and then ready for bed even though the A is much shorter.

So for e.g., my DD is 32m and naps at 1.45pm for 1.5h and BT at 7pm (WU is usually around 6.30-7am isn)

So for you, maybe something like:

WU: 6.50am (if I've understood your post correctly)
Nap: 12.30 (1.5-2h)
BT: 7pm

What do you think?

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Re: Can settle for naps but not bedtime
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2014, 13:59:04 pm »
Hmm.

It's an interesting suggestion. We actually lengthened his nap to two hours over Christmas because before that we'd attempted to shorten it...it was obvious that we had gone the wrong direction that time. Since he's only just started having shorter naps, and everything is exactly the same, do you think it would make a difference?

7.30 is the earliest bedtime we can do, unfortunately. My husband and I both work full time. The only flex is making his wake up time a bit later if you think that would help? He's usually up on his own, but we do have to wake him in the morning sometimes. 6.50 is our target time, as we can get him dressed and finished with his bottle before we go pry Corey out of bed. To be honest, I'm not sure we could keep him asleep much past that...

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Re: Can settle for naps but not bedtime
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2014, 21:07:36 pm »
So the iiwm, I'd allow the 2h nap at 12.30 and do a 7.30 Bt. If you think he'll be UT on that then cap at 1.5 h but 2h at this age does not to me seem unreasonable

Hth x

Have a look at this thread, it'll give you an idea of what other Los are doing at this age

18-24 month old how much sleep?
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