Help needed with twins - things getting worse pg 22

[ZacsMumme]

Do you think they have had their 6 mth GS yet? ... This could be it...along with fun wonder week behaviour how early were they born?

[babybarr]

I guess it could be. They were born at 38wks.

[MasynSpencerElliotte]

Yeah, that really sounds like our nights when she hit her growth spurt...plus she was practising crawling in the wee hours of the night! Were they happy during the nw's? When E is ot her nw's are not happy chatty ones!

There is def something in the water though...E was up at 11:30 & again at 3:00  I fell asleep on the floor beside her crib at some point!

[4isstillnighttime]

Laura, do you think it's a twin thing? I mean, C has always been horrific but I honestly think Z is so rotten because she knows that C is there so as soon as she's even a tiny bit awake she thinks she will wake up C for a natter and a play. We don't have room to separate them, but I wondered how your older boy slept and what your experience is?

[babybarr]

My eldest has a variety of additional needs and suffers with insomnia so he now has sleeping medication and is not the best example for sleep!!!

My two don't necessarily wake each other, it's worse in the early hours when they're in the light sleep phase but obviously we're a couple of months behind you so they may well want to wake up and play at 8mths!

Last night was marginally better
H asleep by 6.20pm
J asleep by 6.50pm
(one of them woke at some point before midnight I'm pretty sure but can't remember who!)
H then woke at 1.30am so was fed
J woke about 2am and fed
J woke at 5am but I managed to get him back to sleep (prob took 20mins or so) and then he slept till 6.45am
H woke at 6am

So H did really quite well just J is still the problem
Yesterday they napped 1.5hrs in the morning and 40mins in the afternoon

Today they've napped 1hr 20mins this morning then J fell asleep after 2hrs A time in the supermarket.

IS 1HR 20MINS AN OT OR UT NAP? And why would they need such a short A time after that?  I've been sticking to a 9.30am morning nap but I never know how to play the afternoon???

[MasynSpencerElliotte]

Hmm 1 20 would be just a normal nap here when on two naps. Do you think he fell asleep after two hours just because of being in the stroller (carseat?). Not that mine ever does but I know some do!

Do they go straight to sleep after a feed at night?

[4isstillnighttime]

Laura, that does sound better. I've given an extra feed today, fingers crossed! And 1h20 would be an ok nap here but C will nearly always go to sleep in the pushchair - when they were little I used to use it for all of their naps so I think it's just irresistibly sleepy for her....she will generally only do a cat nap though as she wakes up and it's too exciting to go back to sleep!!

Fingers firmly crossed for you!!

[ZacsMumme]

1hr20 is typically 2 sleep cycles (40 mins ) so IMO a full nap.
Was J in the capsule in the supermarket? Sometimes they just drift off in funny places at that age

Just wondering what if you fed j when h woke for a feed (or vice versa) does that help you at all by not having to be up and down?

[babybarr]

1hr20 is typically 2 sleep cycles (40 mins ) so IMO a full nap

That's good to know, I can't remember any of this stuff from when O was little!!

He was in the carseat and then H fell asleep on the way home but I actually managed to transfer him to the cot which was nice! J refused to have a proper nap and slept in the buggy when a friend of mine took them for a walk. Last night was shocking again. I literally can't carry on like this. 

H asleep 6.50pm
J asleep 7pm
11pm J woke
1am J fed
2.20am H fed
3.30am J woke
4.50am J woke - woke H
5.20am J woke - woke H
5.50am both boys up for the day ...sigh...yawn.

Yesterday they both napped for 1hr 20mins at 9.30am
H then slept about 1.20-2.20pm and again for about 15mins at 4.15pm
J had about 15mins at 1pm and 30mins about 3.45pm

I don't know whether I should get rid of the dummies.  At the 11pm wake I literally put the dummy back in and J went back off but all his other wakings involved me picking him up otherwise he wouldn't settle.  It's hard to just leave him to self settle cos he ends up waking H and vice versa.

I don't know what to do.

[4isstillnighttime]

I got rid of c's dummy at about that age as I was constantly putting it back in. We went cold turkey but I took her in bed with me the first night and she was fine, so I knew she could sleep without it and it gave me the confidence to persevere. I'm glad I did, she is bad now but the dummy was torturing us all!!

[ZacsMumme]

At 7 mths my boys could replug themselves, if you dont want to ditch the pacis work on them replugging, and chuck a ton in the cots.

[4isstillnighttime]

Yes, Z can re plug herself and she has a sleepytot rabbit with dummies attached so she can find it in the night. But C could do it perfectly well in the day but just wouldn't at night!!

[babybarr]

if you dont want to ditch the pacis work on them replugging, and chuck a ton in the cots.

How do I teach them to replug?  They can put them in in the day but it takes them a while to turn them around and find the right bit

[ZacsMumme]

I have glow ones which help, we also have an airwrap to prevent the pacis falling out http://www.littlelinen.com/airwrap-deluxe/ when the boys would wake and not settle I would go in and put the paci in the hand, and guide to the mouth. Lots of A time practice too and eventually less having to help at nights....

[ZacsMumme]

Z had avent night ones and t the mam ones. The mam glows much better than avent