6MO A TIME

[ZacsMumme]

Can you post the last two days in EAS format, sorry I'm not sure of his A and S times etc anymore

[3littlemen]

Saturday
Awake 6.07
E6, 7.50 little feeds
E weetbix (maybe 3tsp?) 7.30
S 8.07-9.15 woken by door slamming
E11.30 good bf
offered solids 12ish
S 12.15-2.20 (in at 11.45)
E3.30 little feed
S 4.50-5.20 (in at 4.40 and woken at 5.20 by me)
 E 5.30 little feed
6.30 offered solids
E7.30 good bf and bed
S7.40?
DF 9.30

NF/NW woke 4, v cold, good feed

Sunday
Awake 6.07
E offered bf 6.15
S8.00-8.35 woken self with poo
E rusk around 9 offered bf 10.15 little feed
S11.15-11.50 woken with another poo
E 1.30 or so
offered solids 12ish
S2-3.30
E sucked on pear around 4
E 5.30? forgot to write feeds down
offered tea 6ish
E 7
S7.10

NW resettled at 3, vcold, at 4 little feed, held to sleep at 5.30 then in our bed...woops.
Today
 woke 6.35
E6.35 little
offered solids, maybe 2tsp?
S 8.40-9.15 (in at 8.10 happy until asleep)
E 10.15 little
S 11.45 - ongoing (in at 11, happy until asleep)

[ZacsMumme]

How long was that second nap that was ongoing.
I honestly think your LO is ut all day long which is resulting in ew and nw....

What do you think, what do you want to fix do you want longer naps? Better nights? Less nw or ew.

[3littlemen]

Sorry, by ongoing I meant that he was still asleep as I was typing. He ended up having 1h55.

We've been chaotic the last two days so I haven't bothered logging anything of much.

Today so far...
up 3.20 (i think) resettled
up 4.40? fed and awake (I think) out of bed 6
E solids 6.30ish
in at 7.40
S8-9
E bf around 10ish, 1/3 banana
in at 11.10
S11.30-12.25
E 12.30bf
solids 2tab maybe?
in at 2.30 (grumpy)
S 2.40-3.20 (UT right?)

So at least today, with a big effort to work at being in his cot 15m or so before 2h30 a time, has given 1hr or so naps (all UT right). Do I then stick with this for two more days and do a 2h45 after that?

Yesterday we recovered from town the day before. 2 naps of 20m in the car and one of 1hr all day. yuck. yesterday wasn't so bad, 1 x 2hr at some point.

Would you suggest Ebt or stick with 7/7.30pm?

[ZacsMumme]

I'd go for 7 at the latest...

[3littlemen]

Couldn't handle awake any more so asleep by 6.40pm.

I'm still doing a df at 9.30.

I don't suppose I have thought about it in terms of  nw/ew vs. long naps. Both are nice! I guess I prefer now when he isn't awake from 3.40am!! Do I go for 2h45 a time tomorrow or stick with 2h30 do you think??

[ZacsMumme]

Go for 2hrs45. Your Bt looks about right, hope you get a good night x

[3littlemen]

just an update,

we've been getting much better naps on average. first a time around 3hours or so, next 2hr45, have had to do some big a times to get to bt though, but at least it's working itself out. nws are down to one replug around 3.45-4.30 somewhere in there, I feed at the next wu, whenever that might be.

today was off due to having to sneak a cn in yesterday arvo but it went
nf5
wu 5.20 (with poo)
e solids around 7
bf 8.30
s in at 8.40 but more poo, but slept 9-10.15 (stirred and resettled self until)11.15
bf offered at 11.30
e solids around 12ish
bf offered around 1.30
s 2.20-3.40
bf offered 4
solids 6
bf 6.30
bt 6.40

we've been doing pretty good though, mostly 2 nap days the first the longest, around 1h30-2h and the second shorter... though it depends on the day. bt around 7-7.30 too which is great.
just trying to figure out bf's around solids... I don't like being bitten but he is so distractible it's hard to tell if he's hungry or just snacking! the best feeds are the early am one (4-5ish) and the bt one. any suggestions on that one?

[ZacsMumme]

Well done routine looks good.

At this age I think with my ds1 I had to feed him in a dark quiet room (ie his room) or he got too distracted.
How old is he now? If he is less than 8/9 mths I would be bf before solids. So WU then bf the. Olds 30-45 mins later.

Then again after both naps - offering lunch between the naps, then an early dinner. Bf top up at BT.

At this age the 4-5 one I'd just feed? Then top up in the morning if he will take it. maybe post on the bf board though if your not sure.

[3littlemen]

thanks

[3littlemen]

thought I'd just post on here again... we're 7mths 1wk (almost) and our first a time is up to 3hrs now. it's been giving me a 2hr nap straight up (which is nice) but with the same a time, I'm getting 40min or less naps. Yesterday I even got a 20m one - that's hungry right?
I'm trying to stick as much bf first into him as I can and then solids. he does like solids so that's not too bad. I am keeping his bfs to roughly 4hrs depending on his naps... but sometimes have to feed before his nap yk?  I know you'll want to see an EASY so i'll post....

I'm trying to wean him off what was his 4am feed (well push it out to five) but the last 4 nights he's woken at 2 and ended up crying and being awake for longer. I have taken him into my bed to try and comfort him, and realised last night that that wouldn't be helping so didn't last night. Last night was the worst and he was awake for 2hrs. he cried for the last 10min of it, and I tried to just settle with voice.

 he's been having long a times to bt as his last nap is short and I've been trying to keep bt to 7-7.30.

wed
nw 2ish for ??
E nf/ew 5.50 went back to sleep after feed
A7.15
E offered bf on WU, solids 7.45? or so
E 9.30 or so
S11.10-1.10 (was out and couldn't make it home in time so extra long a time!)
E 1.15 solids offered afterwards
S 4.25 (40m)
E offered bf around 5.15
solids around 6.30
Ebf 7
S7.25
df 9.50

Thurs
awake 2ish settled
E/nf 5.23 slept in our bed until
WU 6.45
E offered bf at 6.45, solids 7.30
E bf 9.20 but not to sleep
S9.45-11.50
E bf12.30? or so then solids
S2.40-3
E bf 3.10
E bf 5.40
solids 6.30
E bf 7 to sleep
BT 7.15
df 9.45
 
today
awake 2.40 with poo then crying on and off eventually getting wound up and going back to sleep around 4.15?
E nf/ew 5.50- then went back to sleep during feed
WU 6.30 (was woken putting back into his bed)
solids 7.30
S 9.13- 9.41 crying
e11
solids 12.20
s 12.50-1.50
e3
breaky I make up 1/2 weetbix but he might only eat a 1/4. Lunch is a tab or so of yoghurt with a icecube of fruit - eats half maybe? and dinner is about 2 tab of meat and vege puree. eats all of it generally.

He is now crawling (and trying to pull himself up!).

[ZacsMumme]

The short nap could be developmental, teeth or ut...if your worried about hunger you can give a top up feed before the nap, or a snack. I think at this age we had to do a shuffle with food and milk

The crawling could be messing with him a little. Any teeth? Can you resettle a short nap? Even with some AP? He could be getting OT but it's hard to tell. What do you think?

[3littlemen]

You know, I truly posted on here cos I'm stumped. I actually thought I'd had it all ironed out...duh. not.

I figured it was hard to tell, with the out-of-sorts easy. 3hr+ definitely works for (or had been working) for the first nap, I just hadn't quite figured out the tweak for the second one spot on. I do notice today (as I said, only started crawling on Sunday) that he's now trying to pull himself up on stuff - and sadly headbutting everything on the way down. I wasn't offering bf before solids but am now making a point to. In fact, I offer when I think he might be hungry, and if he's not interested, I just try later (like today for instance). Days of three naps are gone, he'd rather fight me than sleep. He had to be grossly OT by the end of today.

As for the nights, I'm trying to kick the motn feed cold turkey. I was/am very tired myself, and am in the habit of bfing rather than staying awake to pupd or whatever to go back to sleep. So he may not have 'needed' this feed for ages, and just used me for a dummy (which I think he probably does)/snack, I mean he is drinking but since doing cold turkey it's not like I'm grossly engorged or anything come morning. (and I get that way if he skips a meal). perhaps I just need to pay more attention?! to see how he wakes. in fairness this morning he was happy when I changed his bum and then much later he got wound up.  I know initially we were having trouble (at the beginning of this post) with UT nw, when he was happy.

Sorry - to answer your questions no teeth coming I think, never able to resettle a short nap, usually goes from asleep to happy in seconds regardless of being OT or UT. I'd reckon today is going OT....FOR SURE.

e 3
4.45-5.15 tried for a nap  no luck
e 5.15 tried to feed to sleep, no luck
solids 6, too tired/grumpy to eat much
bf6.20
s6.36

a times normally get shorter (or stay the same) don't they? as the day progresses? So 3hr, then, 2h50,2h40 etc or all 3h?

[ZacsMumme]

Lots of Los like a longer A time as the day goes on, but a few prefer it the other way. It's a very common age for 2 naps, or at least the transition and given things aren't great - and the CN is being refused id be tempted to try ditching it and just doing EBT of 6pm if your naps are a bust. (Obviously if you  get 30 min ones you can try for 3 though iykwim)

Developmentally your at a bad sleep age, it goes on and off till about 10 mths but usually once your through a bad patch there is a good one for a while

So I'd try for a 3 hr A between all naps, some LOs like a longer one to BT ie 3.5 - if you get a bad 30-40 min one you can't resettle then pull the next A back maybe to 2.5 hrs A and hope for a longer next nap.

So when are you offering solids and milk now? - I'd go for milk on WU, after each nap and before BT. You can top up before a nap if you think you need too. Solids 45 mins or so after a feed depending on how often your offering but I wouldn't give solids after 4pm yet as it could be affecting sleep on the early morning

[3littlemen]

I found this rather amazing... I thought last night would be awful... but surprisingly, he needed a replug at 9.30, and took no time to settle then slept ALL THE WAY UNTIL 4.48 without a noise... (he hasn't done that for ages)I was fine to leave him then, but DH had decided he was too cold and brought him over to warm up... sabotage. anyway I fed him and he slept til 5.48 or so.

E 4.48
Wu 5.48 or so
BF 6.50 and out of bed
solids 7.30 or so
S 9.03 (grumpy grizzle-ing in cot for 10mins prior to sleep) - 10.15
Ebf 10.45
solids 12.30
E bf 1.10, explosive poo so in bed by 1.25
S 1.45-3.30
E bf 4.25
solids 6.20pm
Ebf 6.50pm
S7pm
stirred 7.30pm

Is it possible 3hr first up is  too short now?
also, why does solids after 4pm play up with night sleep?
would grizzly/grumping (but not actually crying) before a nap equal UT? it sounds like that or sometimes frustration, but not "I'm so tired I can't go to sleep" crying iykwim
he's doing better on both the milk and solids department, but I am making sure to offer solids after bf and am trying to keep some sort of 4hrly or so gap between feeds, though mostly I just watch him and if he starts hooking into a toy, then I offer a feed.