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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2014, 21:35:04 pm »
Best wishes for a good night :)
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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2014, 11:14:50 am »
Thank you,  he went to sleep at around 10.30 pm after a bottle of ebm and woke up at 3am, breastfed and went back to sleep around 4am. He woke up this morning at 7.45am
I'm going to keep going with the 4 hour easy and just cap the last nap and see what happens!
Thanks so much for your help and support last night xx

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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2014, 14:46:10 pm »
Sounds good ;)
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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2014, 10:03:15 am »
We had the exact same issue. Day feeds were too infrequent and too short and he made up for it with night feeds. Have you tried feeding every two hours? We do before and after nap time and it works MUCH better. And no more than 3.5 hours of daysleep.

If you only feed every four hours and baby might only take 50-100 ml per feed, as that is more average for a bf babe, he doesn't get enough milk that way.

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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2014, 18:37:51 pm »
Hi Steffi . Can you elaborate on how you manage  your feeds during the day.
  I have the same problem with my just-turned- 5 month old who Wakes up more frequently at night since 3 months. Bedtime feed is the only quality feed of the day. 
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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2014, 19:15:05 pm »
A 4-hour-EASY can't work for most breastfed kids, they only on average take 30-120 ml per feed and a 4-hour-EASY means only five feeds! Many babies would have to drink 160-180 ml per feed to get the calories they need and that is just unrealistic. Happens SOMETIMES, but many women don't store that much BM and many babies don't take that much, as ultrasounds show. But nonetheless, at around 3-5 months, like Tracy said, their napping pattern changes to only 2 or 3 naps a day. You can't just feed on wakeup.

Our day today looked roughly like this:

E: 7am wake up, eat
A: 7-9
E: 9am eat, wind-down
S: 9.30-10.30 nap

E: 10.30 eat
A: 10.30-12.30
E: 12.30 wind-down

S: 1-1.30

E: 1.30
A: 1.30-2.30
E: 2.30 wind-down

S: 3-4

E: 4
A: 4-6
E: 6

bedtime routine
E: 6.30, asleep by 6.45


Now this isn't an ideal day, he sometimes does this, or he has two long naps. Seen as he is not on solids, a normal EASY pattern just wouldn't work for a baby on two naps and an 11 hour day. But basically, we feed before and after sleep and cluster feed at night, then DF at 9 or 10ish. We reduced night waking from 4-5 (reverse cycling, as he wasn't eating enough in the day) to one.

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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2014, 19:17:48 pm »
Oh, and day feeds used to be so short and messy on wake ups, my LC said that you should really feed when tired as they are so nosy at that age and squirm and pull and swallow air when they feed wide awake. Not all, but many.


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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2014, 19:37:05 pm »
I did feeds at that age in the dark bedroom with white noise going to help with distraction. DD3's A times were so long that I did a 2nd top up feed about 30 min before her next nap. I wanted to avoid the prop of feeding to sleep as she was already self settling some of the time and felt it would be a step backwards.

By that age though, your breasts aren't storing the milk like they did in the nb stage, it is all about supply & demand where the body makes it as it is demanded.
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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2014, 21:20:46 pm »
Interesting. ..
Yeah I too do not stretch to 4 hours and I find hungerleads to short naps
 I don't know how all you wonderful people do it! Im so chronicly exhausted! :) I hope solids help sleep and we'll get it in the next few weeks or months lol

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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2014, 05:48:31 am »
We have had better nights again after me rousing hi a little when he fell asleep on one boob and then giving the other and encouraging quite a big feed. Only one nf again. So the two hourly thing in the day really works for us  :)

You don't have to feed to sleep, but I would feed shortly before a nap. There are sedatives in BM for a reason  ;)

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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2014, 06:15:29 am »
We seem to be back down to one night feed. He is still feeding 4hourly after waking and it's working at the moment.  I've tried 3 hour feeds and he just isn't hungry.  He takes a good feed after waking and if i try any closer then he just bobs on and off

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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2014, 17:00:26 pm »
Steffi do you have any references or links you can let us have to where you got those figures from? I'm just interested as they seem different than what I have read on places like Kellymom. Thanks. :)
http://kellymom.com/bf/pumpingmoms/pumping/milkcalc/

Claire, if 4hrly feeds are working for you then that is great and I would stick with it. Both of mine were on 4hrly feeds by 4.5mo and would not have been interested in feeding every 3hrs, let alone every 2hrs (beginning and end of A times). They were both scaling the centile charts (from 50th to 91st I think it was) while EBF until they were established on solids around 7mo. :)
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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2014, 18:29:47 pm »
I got it from Emma Picket on her page somewhere. Will look it out. But this BF link says the same. Average per feed can often be 3oz. And 3oz five times a day, as a four hour EASY would dictate, is not enough for a baby.

https://breastfeedingusa.org/content/article/breast-versus-bottle-how-much-milk-should-baby-take

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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2014, 19:21:25 pm »
Thanks. That's just average though so some will be more and some less. It's a shame there isn't any info on the study and whether going longer between feeds had any effect. Such an interesting area of research :)
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Re: 4 month old waking to feed 3 times a night
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2014, 03:01:56 am »
Steffi that 30-120 range is huge!  Amazing the differences in nursing mom/baby pairs!  Guess that's why the flexible routine is so helpful!