Author Topic: Any ideas, routine woth long A (Read 3326 times)

Florena49 · « **on:** May 08, 2014, 05:11:39 am »

Hi ladies

Just wondering if anyone can glance at our EASY, its been hit and miss really, nothing disastrous during day time, i sort of learnt to relax about this sleeping business and most of the time I know whether he will sleep through the 40 mins or wake up.
I would say Oskar is mainly a textbook baby with spirited mixed in there! To get a decent nap he needs a really long A time. So we recently started doing 3.15A and i did some w2s but it wasnt enough for him to transition on his own, so in the morning if he had more less decent night sleep we will do 3.30A sometime he sleeps through, sometimes he doesnt, but i cant get anymore than 1.20 mins, usually 1.10 out of him. In any case 3.15 A time before second nap, even with me patting him through, gives us a short nap, so yesterday he was really happy and he ended up doing 3.45A time and as i thought he would be OT did w2s and he slept for 1.10! So our BT was screwed up and late! The problem is i cant do a UT nap with him, i mean he will just not settle himself unless he had a long A time, so in this case how do i go about his BT? This was our EASY yesterday and we suffered with early waking which i resettled and he slept for just over an hour before WU

7.00
7.15 eat
10.30 sleep-11.40 3.30A had to resettle
11.40 eat
1.00 solids
3.30-4.40 3.50A w2s
4.40 eat
7.30 eat
8.05BT

Our nights are always pretty bad whether we do early BT or bT on time

nevinsmama · « **Reply #1 on:** May 08, 2014, 18:10:46 pm »

Hi Viktoria! DD's 2nd nap was always rubbish, nearly the whole time she was on 2 naps. I don't think she was quite as high A needs as your Oskar sounds though. I learned to take what I can get, most of the time.

Can you AP a CN to keep bedtime from getting too late? I wonder if some of the rotten nights are due to a long day? Will he wipe out "somewhat tired" in car, stroller, or carrier? If I recall, Heidi's DD3 had high A needs and put herself on a routine for a much older LO and it worked out, I may see if I can find her.

Florena49 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 08, 2014, 18:38:15 pm »

Hi Maryn

Long day gives us EW which are ridiculously difficult to settle and even if i manage to settle i literally have to sit there and pat so he stays asleep! Whatever the BT we always get nightwakings i dont even know if it cam be fixed, im kind of use to the sleep deprived state. Although of course I would like to fix it somehow. He isnt all that great at transitioning throughthe 40 mins,so at BT he will always wake after 40 mins and will need resettling. Any suggestions would be great. I can rock him to sleep in the pram or go for a drive its thenonly way i can get a UT nap. It feels like we need to somehow get a longer AM nap and then have a cat nap, that way we might get somewhere. But with rubbish nights i cant se to get a longer AM nap and his A times are sometimes inconsistant in the morn.

jessmum46 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 08, 2014, 18:39:45 pm »

We never had two long naps, at least not consistently. And also could never do UT naps. I would be tempted to do something like

WU 7am
Nap 10.30-11.45/12ish
Nap 3.30ish for maybe 30-45 mins (wake him if he doesn't wake naturally)
BT 7/7.30pm

What do you think? It might take some experimenting to get the times right but I don't think one long and one shorter nap is an issue for babies who need high A to sleep well.

Is he an independent sleeper? How old is he exactly?

Florena49 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 08, 2014, 18:47:39 pm »

Yes he is an independent sleeper 90% of the time settles within a minute or so. He will be 28 weeks tomorrow. Thays what I was thinking too, he can manage 2.5A after a 40 minute nap, so that should work out well in terms of BT.

Ill play around with the A times, he has no cues all, i have to watch the clock with him, he will sometimes go from being totally happy and laughing and cooing to me picking him up and him just falling asleep on me, considering he isnt mobile yet he just wants to keep going.....

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #5 on:** May 08, 2014, 19:05:13 pm »

Hi Viktoria...Maryn is right, DD3 is super low sleep needs! With two older kids her A times are really not precise but at 6 months she was doing about 3.5/4 hr A in the am, a 1.5 hr nap, 3 hr A, catnap of 30-45 min and then a 3/3.5 hr A time to bed...she does 11-12 hr nighs mostly but we went to one nap at 7.5 months because we could not fit it all in. The odd time (like today) she zonks in the van for 10 min in the am if we are out and then has a shorter nap later. How many nw's are you getting? Bf or bottle? Sorry if you said that, I am typing on the fly here!!!

Florena49 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 09, 2014, 04:35:30 am »

Oh Heidi

Pretty much wakes every two hours, ocassionally throws in a good night with only two wakings to feed, but thats rare. He is BF. Tbh im happy to fiddle with his routine, im mostly worried that these NW will still be here at the end of tje summer when i have to return to work

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #7 on:** May 09, 2014, 05:07:37 am »

I hear you, I'm back to work in July...we still have one nw and sometimes an ew if I let her nap too long (seriously two hours max!). Hmmm does he go back down easy after the nw's that aren't feeds? Have the nights always been like that?

Florena49 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 09, 2014, 05:56:12 am »

We had a few blissful weeks right after sleep training, he wouldnt wake after 40 minutes and would wake aroubd 10.30 and 3.30 to eat,otherwise he has always been pretty bad. First part of the night yes i have even stopped patting just shush and hand on chest, he wakes aroubd 2.20 and then he is difficult to settle im starting to think its a habit, as it is every night now, irregardless of what time he was fed before. Sigh

We are flying back to the UK today and ill see if I can adjust his routine a little.

Florena49 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 29, 2014, 19:43:17 pm »

Uh and we are back, that is another attempt to sort out Oskars night time sleep. Since we have been back his sleep has been progressively worse in the night and i would really settle for the fact that it is just how it is, but I do have to go back to work in august and im getting worried about how I would cope. So I have spent a few days just following his cues to see if he will tell me when he needs to sleep during the day in hope that it might make the nights better. Erm well the problem with that is he will go on forever especially if i carry him around! Few days ago he was awake for 4 hours before BT happily sitting in his highchair whilst we had dinner, but night time was horrendous.
This is what our day looked like today

6.20 wu
10.00 sleep-11.20 3.40A
11.20 eat
3.00-3.40 3.40A
6.30 BT

He was OT by BT, really he only needed 2 hours i reckon, but he just carries on with a bit of fussing here and there nothing major, no meltdowns.

First nap is usually ok but never longer than 1.20 mins, he is teething ATM so i had to resettle that first nap a few times this week. its the second nap thats the problem, it is always short unless i resettle him, but then if he gets anything over an hour he wont go to bed at reasonable time and the day is just too long.
Is it the start of 2-1? Tbh i haven't slept for longer than 3 hour stretch for weeks so i might be missing something here?!

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2014, 02:52:14 am »

We started gearing up for one nap at about 6/6.5 months so totally possible. I did alternate 1 & 2 nap days at first. We always needed a longer A to bed but I know lots are the opposite and need it in the morning. Our second nap was always apop because it was the only way she would go down, but yes the day does end up getting longer before you get to one nap.

Does he go to.sleep independently at naps and bedtime?

Florena49 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2014, 07:30:05 am »

Hi Heidi

Yes goes down like a dream for naps, at most a couple if minutes of fussing, BT is sometimes a struggle, although last night went down within a couple if minutes but was up like 5 times before 11!

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2014, 14:22:17 pm »

Yikes! How do you resettle those times? Does he have a soother?

Florena49 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2014, 16:50:07 pm »

Nope no soother, no swaddle, he still responds to shush pat or more so to its sleepy time and shush.

Patting is a little difficult as the legs go up in the air, honestly im at loss what to do with him.

6.20 wu
10.00 sleep-11.10 3.40A
3.15-sleep-4.15 4.00A time in the pram took some time to fall asleep

I will see how long he lasts tonight before BT

I wonder if i should push that am nap forward a bit and leave the second nap as 40 min to get to BT

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2014, 18:43:16 pm »

I would try that, as the second nap would be ut but that is okay for a short catnap. Perhaps a longer morning A is his thing? Yeah, shh/pat has finally stopped working here so I just use my voice and sometimes a back rub (tummy sleeper).

zportiss · « **Reply #15 on:** June 05, 2014, 20:35:41 pm »

Viktoria,
Heidi suggested I look into this post because my lo is fighting her BT due to long A and last nap too close top BT too. Have you tried a shorter 2nd nap? Today I felt so guilty waking her after 30 minutes. We'll see how it goes tonight!

Florena49 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 05, 2014, 21:06:12 pm »

This is what we have tried today:

7.45 wu
11.35 nap-12.35
4.25 nap-5
7.55BT

Usually the first nap is 1.20 min, not sure why it was cut short today.
He did wake 25 min after BT but easily resettled and still asleep now, so we will see how the night goes.
What does your day look like and how are the nights for you?

Florena49 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 05, 2014, 21:33:15 pm »

scrap that woke 2 hours later, so pretty much the usual nonsense, so likely to be awake every 2 hours now sigh......

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2014, 02:30:52 am »

Oh no! How did the night turn out? Fx it wasnt too bad.

Florena49 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2014, 08:32:53 am »

Pretty terrible actually, his first tooth came through yesterday its just sticking out from his gum, so im wondering if that is contributing to even more night wakings.

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #20 on:** June 06, 2014, 14:10:46 pm »

Yes teeth usually lead to disturbed nights! DD3 got her first two teeth at 6 months and we still have had no more!

zportiss · « **Reply #21 on:** June 06, 2014, 19:08:21 pm »

Sorry you had a rough night Viktoria. I hope tonight goes more smoothly. Try motrin (it lasts longer than tylenol) and teething tablets (homeopathic). When my DD started cutting her teeth she was up every 2 hours too. It was horrendous

Thankfully we seem to be back on track with 2 NW for nursing and sometimes 1-2 resettles. One thing that I changed, and I am not sure if this relates, but we BF and she was nursing every 2 hours during the day, and once I stretched her feeds out gradually to 4 hours during the day she now goes 4 hours at night. I also discovered that her sudden long A was due to a catnap while she was nursing right before her first nap. I didn't even realize she was sleeping! It allowed her to go all the way until 10:45, where normally if she woke at 6:20 she would be down by 9:30ish with a really long A before bed.

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #22 on:** June 08, 2014, 03:48:11 am »

Motrin is also and anti inflammatory so that is a bonus. If it gets really bad you can use both alternatively to cover the period where one wears off. I tend to use tylenol in the day and save the motrin for bedtime.

Florena49 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 08, 2014, 13:19:40 pm »

Thank you Ladies, i medicate during the day about 40 mins before thr nap, yesterday i forgot and nugget woke after 20 min....

We are sort of playing with the afternoon A times to see what works but i have a feeling we are on our way to 2-1 and heck it will be bumpy.

Our days are becoming very long as een after a short nap in the pm he is not ready for bed unless he has around 3.30A. I mean i can get him to sleep before that but he will be up every 40 min until about 11-12 before he settles for a stretch of 2-3 hours.
Oh thesr babies just when u think ur getting sonewhere things change.

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #24 on:** June 10, 2014, 03:41:18 am »

Yup they sure like to keep us guessing! Can you bring the catnap earlier? I always apop the catnap so until she was outright refusing it even by apop I could get her down for 30 mins even if the previous A time was short and that left lots of A time before bed.

Florena49 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 10, 2014, 05:36:04 am »

Funny enough i tried to do a UT nap yesterday, so after 3 hours of A time tried getting him to nap, i was defeated, went for a walk and he only fell asleep as usual after 3.50 min A time.
I think i need to start capping the pm nap, else im not sure whay to do as we also started getting early wakings for the last couple of days and i reckon its because ofthe late BT.

Florena49 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 11, 2014, 15:56:11 pm »

Jeez we had nap refusal this pm! Is 6.20 too late for a catnap generally?
A few past night we also had screaming before BT, this is new usually BT is pretty smooth

This is what today has looked like

7.10wu eat
11.05nap-12.30 3.55A
12.30 eat
4.20nap-4.50 3.50A

No idea what time BT will be....

Florena49 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 11, 2014, 18:52:26 pm »

I meant 4.20 of course. We had BT shnanigans, agter 30 min nap he seemed very tired after 2 hours no luck putting him down, tried after 2.30 and then after 3A he fell asleep on me! This is a first! A lovely tender moment but im confused whether OT or the nap messing it up big time.

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #28 on:** June 12, 2014, 02:42:59 am »

Aww so sweet when they fall asleep on you! Hmmm...just brainstorming - do you think it migh work better if you swapped and did a short am and then long pm nap? I know this seems to work better for some babies. Might be easier to get the catnap first?

Florena49 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 12, 2014, 15:08:04 pm »

Well today has been a 40 min nap after 3.50A in the morn and on the way back from swimming fell asleep in the car after 3hoursA and still asleep so 50 mins now. Will see how BT turns out and whether i can repeat this at home without the car drive.

Florena49 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 21, 2014, 21:45:14 pm »

Uh how can this chap be so happy during the day and so much hard work at night.

This is what today looked like
6.15 wu
10.30 nap-11.40 4.15A
3.35Nap-4. 3.55A
6.30Bt. 2.30 A

I cant figure out the A time between his silly 20-30 min nap and BT

How long can your LO say awake for after a 20 min catnap?

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #31 on:** June 22, 2014, 02:29:54 am »

We used to do a short catnap and then 3-3.5 hrs to bed!

Florena49 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 23, 2014, 06:32:02 am »

Well I thought it was a success last night, Os slept through his usual 40 minute waking, but i spoke too soon, he was up every 2.5 hours in the night, I suppose its better than every 1.30 hours!up for the day at 6.40 happy as Larry, cant figure this night time sleep out. He also had a sudden junp in A time again

6.30wu
10.40nap-12.15 4.10A
4.20nap-4.40 4.05A
7.40 BT 3A

First nap wasnt actually that long, he woke happy after 35 minutes it took me nearly 20 mins to resettle him!

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