what to do for todays nap?

[haribo89]

My 22 mo DD had a bad night with her asthma and we let her lay in until 8.40 in the past even with a bad night she still needs a 13hr day. Im trying to aviod a 10pm bt, wwud for nap? Shes done NNDS before so im wondering if to go that route or just give her 30-45 min nap, im just concerned about having a grumpy girl if shes woken from a nap so early.

[Aishi]

Does she tack onto night sleep on nnds? If so I would do 6/6.30pm bt...

[haribo89]

Slightly, she usually does 10-10.5hrs but will do 11hrs on NNDs

[jessmum46]

Hmm that would give a pretty early wake-up.....I'd probably put her down for nap at normal time (appreciating after a bad night she may still need it despite late WU, DD will often surprise me that way) and expect BT will take a little while, or if she doesn't settle for nap after 45 mins or so maybe a 7pm BT?  At least that should give a WU in the 6s.....

[haribo89]

If she does nap how long should I give her?

[jessmum46]

Hi hun sorry it's probably a bit late now, what happened?

[haribo89]

Thanks for asking. We couldn't get her to sleep so going for a 7 bt. For future reference how long would you have given her if she had of gone?

[jessmum46]

What's her usual WU/nap and BT?  I probably wouldn't have done a long one, maybe an hour max but it would depend to an extent on her usual routine and sleep needs. 

[haribo89]

At the moment our routine is -
Wu - 7.30
Nap 1.30 - 3
Bt 8.15 - asleep 9-9.30
We have been getting lots of bedtime shenanigans for the last 3 months,  nothing seems to help but a nnd when she nods off straight away.
She slept very well last night 12 hrs with two short wakes, maybe shes starting to tack on.

[jessmum46]

At around that age (or a bit earlier actually) we also had loads of BT shenanigans and what helped was actually pushing the nap later.  You could possibly try 2-3.30 with same BT? 

The day she slept in I might have put her down at same time as usual for nap, expected she'd take a while to settle but woken her at normal time.  So possibly nap 2/2.15-3ish?

[haribo89]

Ive never thought of pushing the nap, she acts like shes just not tired at bt, chatting, singing, jumping around etc. Does that sound familiar ?
Last night was terrible, im guessing due to the previous NND, straight to sleep after 13hr day, which is unheard of atm, i thought we had maybe cracked her sleep until the first NW of an hour, followed but numberous cry outs and then a 2 hour NW. UT or OT from NND im not to sure, or even worse the possible start of 2 year molars! 
Thanks for all your help

[jessmum46]

Yes, very familiar!!  But then I think some of our was also 2y molars as you suggested, they caused all manner of night time silliness

Other thoughts.....have you tried an earlier BT?  Could the silliness be an OT second wind?  Or have you tried capping her nap shorter?

[haribo89]

Im glad its not just us,
We have tried bt after a 12hr day a few weeks ago but it made no difference, so we dismissed it. We had work being done on the house a few weeks back and due to noise some of her naps were cut short at an hour but still made no difference to her bt, the only thing that seems to make a difference is a NND but im not convinced shes fully ready to start the 1-0. I'll be honest im not even sure if shes LSN, ASN, HSN, she's always been a mystery RE sleep so i never know if im doing the right or wrong thing with her. Would i know if a 12hour day is right for her from one night? or would i need to stick to it for a few days? i worry putting her down UT will lead to frustration but ovbiously sometimes it needs to be tried.

[jessmum46]

We had our first NND at about 22 months if I remember rightly and just seem to be gradually increasing the number per week.  I think at this age you have to give anything a few days to see if it will work, there's so much that can vary day to day (levels of stimulation, activity etc) so a one-off often doesn't tell you much.

In case it helps, I'll post what we do now.  We've done pretty similar for the past few months.  DD is at nursery 2 days a week and will either not nap (common) or else take an early 1h-1h15 nap at about 12pm.  The other days we do:

WU whenever - can vary quite a lot at the moment from 6.30-7.45 (usually later WU after NND)
Nap - up to room 1pm, in bed for 1.30pm.  If she sleeps (getting rarer) then wake her at 3pm.  If not try for minimum 45 mins quiet time in room
If it's been 2-3 days with no nap, tactical drive at about 3pm and allow a 15 min catnap if she nods off
BT 6.30/7pm depending on WU and nap

From 22-24 months the NNDs were pretty rare, maybe 1 every 1-2 weeks.  Started having a few more (and first episode of 2 NNDs back to back) at 25 months.  Now at 28 months getting maybe 1-2 proper naps per week, plus 1-2 very short catnaps.  I think sleep needs have gradually drifted down to more like 12-12.5h now whereas at 24 months it was probably more like 13h.

Hope some of that helps!

[haribo89]

That does help thanks, I dont think my DD will be much different to yours. So really my options are to either try -
Capping the nap shorter than 1.5hr
pushing nap time out to 2-3.30
Trying a 12 hr day
I don't know which to try first, or to just leave her be taking an hour or two to settle to sleep, it just seems such a long day for her (and me) lol