What's going on with my 13 months old?

[AMJ]

An update

So today her nap was still at 10:30 but because of an early WU her A was 6hrs10m and she napped for 1hr40m! That's way better then 1hr10m. She did wake up twice at 40m and then at 1hr15m but resettled on her own.

Maybe she does need 6/6hrs15m of A? What do you think? How can I get her to nap at least 2hrs? Any ideas?

[Buttonbobs]

I think this is a sign that a later nap will help. I agree with Sara that you should fix the nap at no earlier than 11.30 (I know this will be a huge leap potentially but as you're traveling things will be odd anyway), and stick with it for at least a week.

If you're not able to do this due to travel you'll just need to wing it until you're settled and able to focus on a routine again.

[AMJ]

Sound good Naomi. I'll set the nap not earlier then 11:30, hopefully maybe even later depending on how she does with the new time. Thanks very much!

[AMJ]

Ladies please help! We arrived to Canada and she did really wel during her flight. It was a night time some she slept 5 hrs although her sleep was disturbed. I got her to bed at 11:20 PM local time and I think she was asleep by 11:40 but then she woke up at 2:10 am and I was trying to get her back to sleep for 3hrs. I got her out at 5 am. What should I do with the day? I know we talked about not giving her a nap before 11 but she was up at 2am. How do I get her on this time?

Thank you

[jessmum46]

If you've just changed time zones my advice for the first day or two would be get out as much as possible in the daylight and keep things dark at night to help reset her internal clock, but at least in the first 24-48h let her sleep when she needs to.  In the daytime maybe don't let sleeps go over a normal nap length before waking her (so maybe 2h or so) but allow shorter A times if needed.  At night, if she needs to play for a bit then go with it, but keep lights low and activity low-key, and get back to bed at first sleepy signs.  Do BT at the normal time at local time.  So even if she was up at 2am today, BT is not until at least 6pm local time.

After the first couple of days I would just pick your set times and go with it.  Be prepared for a rough few days, but hopefully it will be so much of a shock to the system it helps you get back on track x

[AMJ]

Ok that's very helpful. Just to clarify, allow her as many naps as she wants but not longer then 2hr,right? So from 2am WU she would probably need few naps to get her to the evening.

Thanks Katherine!

[jessmum46]

Yes that's what I'd do x

[AMJ]

Thanks very much, I feel les in a panic when I have a plan!

[jessmum46]

Good luck! 

[AMJ]

Thank I need it. Should I feed her at night? She is asking for breast but I never usually breast feed at night anymore. What about solids at night if she is awake for some time?

[jessmum46]

When we did UK to Australia (10/11h time difference with DST in the middle!) I offered solids at night for the first day or two if she seemed hungry at 'home time' mealtimes.  Then after that just milk.  Went back to a 'not before 4h rule' (we were on 4 BF a day at that age - you may want to offer less frequently) and after a few days she went back to sleeping through.  I made sure I offered milk and solids during the day at the right times for the new time zone too.

[AMJ]

I do the same then. Thank you

[AMJ]

Hi again. I was wondering what would you do in our situation. Since the time change I've been offering a BT at 9pm and hoping for 7/8am WU. I also have been offering 2 naps but the second nap is like a BT to DD. I wake her in 30m-1hr depending what time she falls asleep. Usually she is asleep by 6/6:30pm and I wake her at 7pm then BT at 9pm. The problem is her nights are too short. The latest she woke up was 5:20am so it's only about 8hrs of night sleep.
How do I extend her night making her wake at 7/8am and still keep 9pm BT ?

Here our last 2 days

June 28 2014

2:20 WU A(2hrs10m)
2:50 I went in to change the poopy diaper
3:00 I left she started crying
3:35 E bm
3:55 back in the crib screaming
4:30 S!!!!!!!!!!! (1hr40m) The whole A she was in a dark in her crib or out only when I bf her

6:10 WU A(4.5hrs)
6:20 E bm
7:00 E breakfast
9:45 E snack
10:20 crib
10:38 S (1hr10m)

11:50 WU A(6hrs10m)
1:00 E lunch
4:30 E snack
5:38 crib
6:00/6:05 S(45/50m)

6:53 WU A(2hrs)
8:30 E bm
8:44 crib
8:53 BT

June 29 2014

5:06 WU and laying very quietly but possibly she WU earlier A(5hrs45ish maybe more)
6:00 E bm
6:15 I left she is crying doesn't want back in the crib
6:30 out of the crib
7:00 E breakfast
10:00 E snack
10:45 crib
10:50 S(3hrs)

1:48 WU on her own A(4hrs40m)
2:15 E lunch
5:15 E snack
5:45 crib
6:30 S(30m)

7:00 WU I woke her A(2hrs12m)
7:30 E dinner didn't want to eat only little snack
8:30 E bm
8:50 crib
9:12 BT

5:20 WU

Thanks so much!

[jessmum46]

The only thing I can suggest really is that if you want an 7/8am WU, you need to be consistent in treating everything before that time as night  . By getting her up at 6am when she wakes and starting your day, you're reinforcing that as WU time.  And the long am nap starting before 11am will also reinforce the early start.  If her usual morning A time is 4.5h or so, then her am nap should not start before 11.30am earliest for a 7am start, and 12.30pm for an 8am start.  If you really want to push her to change her body clock I would decide your ideal WU time, say 7am.  Before that time everything is dark and quiet, regardless of when she wakes and even if you have to sit and cuddle.  Then set nap times (e.g. 11.30-1/1.30 and short nap around 4ish) and BT based on that (I would go no later than 8pm BT from a 7am start).  Then stick to it, resettling naps as much as you are able and not deviating from set times by more than 15 mins early for nap and 30 mins for BT. 

What do you think?

[AMJ]

Hi thanks for the response. Her usual morning A or at least the A that gave her a longer nap was about 6hrs maybe even longer. So if I want her to WU at 7am then I need to set her nap at 1pm. Do you think it's ok since she wakes around 5am?

Today she WU at 5:20am and I wanted to give her a nap at 11:30 wich is just over 6hrs of A but she was really exhausted at 10ish. I stretched her till 11:10 but she was hysterical. She napped for 2hrs45m.

Also she won't take a second nap unless it's at 12.5/13hrs after she WU in the morning so around 6/6:30 PM  (so she thinks it's BT but I wake her up) but that brings us too close to the desired 8pm BT.
What do you think I should do?

Thank you!