What's going on with my 13 months old?

[jessmum46]

Good luck, I'd have said 6pm too x

[AMJ]

Thanks Katherine. She got OT before bed and fell asleep at 6:23pm

[jessmum46]

It's not too bad, and that was a great nap today . Fingers crossed for tomorrow's WU x

[AMJ]

True, I need to stay more positive 

[AMJ]

Hi ladies how are you?

We are on day 10 of set nap and BT. We had about 3 days of naps that were over 2hrs but at the same time her night went down to 10hrs long. Now even her nap got shorter. Yesterday it was only 1hr10m and I couldn't resettle her (I don't know why but she just doesn't resettle at all, morning or mid nap).

What do you all think? Do I still stick with it? Is there still a chance this could work? I don't even know what other options we have since nothing else worked.

I was thinking maybe I should bring her nap earlier so let's say something like this
WU 5:00
S 10:00

WU 12:00 or whenever she wakes after this
BT 6:00

Or a change like this will just confuse her?

Also I kinda feel so bad leaving her in the crib till 6am since it would make her night 12hrs long and she never slept that long, so the poor thing is there for 1.5-2hrs long. I would go mad. But on the other hand if I get her up earlier this would make her morning A seem longer. What would you suggest?
Thanks

P.s. Today she napped for 2hrs

[jessmum46]

I'd stick with it I think, if you've started getting some 2h naps that's great!  It took a month or two for it to straighten out here but I'm glad we stuck with it as personally I found it much less stressful knowing when nap and BT would be instead of forever tweaking A times.  What's her mood like?  Is she coping ok? 

In the mornings are you still stuck with that awful 4.30am WU?  Have you tried w2s or any possible form of AP (even a bottle of milk) to try to resettle?  Is she happy to stay in her crib until 6am or is she getting upset?

[AMJ]

Hi Katherine.

Her mood is a bit better now compared to the first couple of days. She is a bit happier but still tired looking, constantly pulling her hair, clumsy, and gets very upset at smallest things. She is not herself. I see that she is really struggling before the nap(starts to rub her eyes at. 9am or before and after just gets overly hyper) and she is really struggling. before bed

The morning WUs re awful . She starts moving around at 3:50am (10hr mark, and yesterday it was 3:30 ish)but  if she is able to resettle then it's till 4/4:30am but this last half hr is not a good sleep. She is tossing and turning non stop. The earliest WU so far was 4am.  We tried w2s previously and  it worked better when she was smaller. Closer to when she turned 1 w2s stopped working because she started to either completely wake up when I w2s her and then being upset and awake for a long time and eventually falling asleep just for a short time ( if I remember correctly) or she would wake on her own around the time I would w2s her so it became a habitual WU. Do you think I should try to w2s again?

I haven't tried giving her milk at the time she WU to resettle her because it didn't get her back to sleep before. I always used to bf her when she would wake early just to rule out hunger but she wouldn't fall back asleep. After working with a sleep consultant she told me to not feed her at that hour and actually offer her first bf 15m after I get her up and not in her room to disconnect feeding from sleeping. So we did that but early WU never stopped.
I did try to APOP by holding her, cuddling her etc but she just gets restless and what's to get going. She is usually ok staying in her crib for about 1hr but after she starts to get upset and honestly I don't blame her, I understand her cause I wouldn't be able to stay in a dark for so long.

We are flying back to Canada on the 25th of June and I would have to start all over once we are there. What do you think I should do? Stick with the same times until then? And what about once we get there? I feel that whatever I'm doing now is just for nothing since it all will need to change with the time change.
I'm thinking to have her BT at 9pm(I know it's late but I'm just so tired of EWUs) once we are there and hopefully WU at 8am(7am the earliest). What time would you recommend setting her nap at then? And how do I get her on the new time zone and how do I help her catch up on her sleep once we arrive since she is refusing a second nap?

Sorry for so many questions but I'm already stressing out about this trip and Dds sleep.
I hope you are getting some sleep considering you have a newborn!

P.S. Today she napped for 1hr10m again

[AMJ]

P.S. I tried to w2s tonight at 2:30am by giving her meds (I just realized that in addition to her 1st molars erupting I could see her cannines are soon to follow  ) but she was already moving around. She woke up as soon as I came in her room and stayed up till 3:40 and then woke up at 5:15 am.

[lolsyb1982]

Sounds like the kind of nights we're having at the moment too 

I've given up trying to tweak her routine etc as I think until the teeth come through they're dictating what kind of night she has. Tried dream meds but she just pushes my hand away and rolls onto her front!! That told me!!!!
You might just have to ride this out hun and assess her routine once they're through and you're back in Canada. That's what I'm doing now x

[AMJ]

Haha Lauren, your DD is funny, so cute. Mine loves her meds and never refuses them.
I guess then I'll just do what you said and ride it out, ouch. Do you think once we are in Canada I should put her straight on set nap/BT again or try and follow her signs and hope she naps second time?

Thanks so much for your reply!

[AMJ]

I'm not sure if I can get a hold of someone quickly but what do I do D is refusing the nap completely. We are on the 2nd try. I tried bf to sleep, rubbing her face, singing to her but nothing. I took her out for 30 m and now she is crying in her crib. Do I keep trying until the set nap time is over and then just go for BT or do I keep trying until she naps ?

Thanks

[jessmum46]

If you're both getting stressed out I'd be tempted to get her up, do some low-key A time and watch for tired cues.  The minute you see any, whisk her up to bed for a nap.  If that fails, get out in the car or pushchair.  She may just be so tired that she drops off even if she wouldn't usually - that happens with DD sometimes.  And if that fails, 5pm BT?

Just remind me what time you are doing set nap and BT at the moment?  Does she settle quickly at BT?

What's the time difference from where you are now to Canada?

[AMJ]

She finally fell asleep and napped from 11:30-12:40 then resettled at 12:45 and WU at 1:20.

We are doing 10:30 nap(in the crib at 10:15) and here she takes about 15 m to fall asleep. BT is at 6ish. At the beginning I would get her in the crib at 5:45 and she would be asleep at 6 but now she takes 20-30m to fall asleep so I lay her in the crib at 5:30pm. We started with 10:45 nap but then I kept giving her an early nap so we never got back to 10:45 nap since she always wakes early.

Canadian time is 6 hrs behind from Serbian time.

Thanks so much Katherine.

[AMJ]

Just wondering, once LOs switch to one nap do they generally have longer first A or second A?

[ZacsMumme]

Just wondering, once LOs switch to one nap do they generally have longer first A or second A?

Both of mine initially had a shorter first A, long nap then longer second A but the days were short as my boys transitioned early.
Ie
Wu 6.30
Nap 11-1.30
Bt 6/6.30