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what are you being told by health professionals?
« on: June 10, 2014, 18:08:17 pm »
we had our 7-9 month check up today. i left totally confused & baffled! the doctor told me milk (am fairly sure she meant all milk even though she knew i was BFing) is now looked on as secondary to solids....ie milk should just be to quench thirst etc, and DD2's main source of nutrition should be coming from solids. her recommendations were to give red meat 3 times a week, give ready brek/weetabix ("healthy" shop-bought cereals) for breakfast and an egg or yoghurt for tea....all of which sounds fine to me & is what i try to do with my toddler....but with DD2, we are still exploring different tastes, taking it slowly & introducing a new food every 3 days.

i was so shocked i didnt question her on anything, which i now regret.

what are ye being told? i was under the impression "food before one is fun", but perhaps i am out-of-date? this doctor told me she had just been to a seminar & gotten the latest info.....i'm not sure why i'm questioning a doctor but i am!!!! if solids are more important than milk, then that will ease my bottle-dramas greatly, but.....i don't know....it just came as a bolt out of the blue!!!






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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 18:39:07 pm »
what are ye being told? i was under the impression "food before one is fun", but perhaps i am out-of-date?

I personally would carry on doing what I was doing in this situation! Solids before 1 is just for fun! Milk is all that LO needs before 1 imho! I did baby-led weaning with LJ from 6 months and she was obviously exploring food for a long time and eventually trying it. We went through stages of her eating loads and then not so much and sometimes very little - but we always trusted that her body knew what it needed! Tbh, we still do go through these stages and LOs really only need very small portions.

this doctor told me she had just been to a seminar & gotten the latest info.....i'm not sure why i'm questioning a doctor but i am!!!!

I think it's a good thing to question the doctors. They really don't know it all! I don't want to get into a debate about this, but it really is good to do your own research and make decisions from an informed basis. E.g. I don't agree with a lot of the government's recommendations regarding 'healthy eating' and have done a lot of reading around this myself. I feed LJ according to that information and am confident with my decision to do this.

So how has your introduction of solids gone so far? xxx



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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 18:45:30 pm »
In Canada they have started recommending meats from 6mo on to replace iron fortified cereals, like rice cereal.  I *believe* the reason is that when babies are ebf there is the risk of their iron becoming low after 6months of age.  It may be that the doc is emphasizing meats, eggs and fortified cereals because she is concerned that LO may not get enough iron otherwise.

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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2014, 18:49:22 pm »
the solids intro....?that's part of my problem! DD2 is not a big fan of food or bottles!!! so at the moment, i'm giving the time to the bottles and if i get a few spoons of puree in, i'm happy!

see tink, she didnt mention any of that....just literally that solids are 100%  more important than milk!






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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2014, 18:59:07 pm »
We are told exactly the opposite - bm or formula as main nutrition until one, everything else for fun & developing their palate. They do push meat as a first food over cereals now as the iron is more bio-available and apparently current research shows babies need as much iron as a grown man!
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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2014, 19:09:08 pm »
I'm pretty sure the standard here is that milk is of primary importance until one but that you should offer all foods from six months (following BLW or a purée/finger food mix from the word go) unless there is a family history of allergy or intolerance and then go for the introduce a new food every three days option.

This worked for us, but I would always say do as you feel is right for you and your LO - that's the BW way after all :)
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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2014, 19:15:23 pm »
Sounds a bit OTT to me, happy.  Did she give any references for this?  Perhaps she got the wrong end of the stick somewhere along the line.  I know neither of mine, both of whom enjoyed eating from the go, would have reliably eaten all that in a day.  I'd stick with 'food is fun until one'.
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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2014, 19:17:01 pm »
A quick google revealed this:
http://www.fsai.ie/news_centre/press_releases/infant_feeding_19112012.html

including a mention of concern that too many children are being weaned to solids too early...
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2014, 19:28:53 pm »
It may be that the doc is emphasizing meats, eggs and fortified cereals because she is concerned that LO may not get enough iron otherwise.

Meat, great. Eggs, fab. But fortified cereal? They contain so much sugar! From what I can see (in the UK), the only cereal that is worth offering for nutrients is Porridge oats or Shredded Wheat (100% wholewheat). I do believe that, but do give LJ Weetabix at times as she loves it. She will choose Porridge every time though if given the choice.


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but I would always say do as you feel is right for you and your LO - that's the BW way after all

Definitely this!
DD2 is not a big fan of food or bottles!!! so at the moment, i'm giving the time to the bottles and if i get a few spoons of puree in, i'm happy!

In this case I'd focus on milk, provide solids and let LO decide what he needs. Trust your instincts xxx



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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2014, 19:32:22 pm »
Fortified baby cereals here don't always contain sugar- I have some in my cupboard that is sugar free? Sure some of them are not great but they have varieties here that are just basic ingredients - oats & added vitamins/minerals.
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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2014, 19:41:15 pm »
Fortified baby cereals here don't always contain sugar- I have some in my cupboard that is sugar free? Sure some of them are not great but they have varieties here that are just basic ingredients - oats & added vitamins/minerals.

Sounds good! :) xxx



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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2014, 21:39:21 pm »
i was so shocked i didnt question her on anything, which i now regret.
Happy, you should be able to phone the HV office and speak with another HV for further information (write a list of your questions before ringing). I did that occasionally, they don't seem to mind at all.  Although having said that I trusted very little of what the HVs told me, like that DS didn't have silent reflux - yeah right  ::)

She might well have got some of the information mixed up if she had only just been to the seminar and honestly in my experience people in any job can get things wrong. I check all prescriptions from the doctor too as I have more than once been told the incorrect (and dangerous) dose  ::) ::) They are only people after all.

I can well imagine changes in the advice and the lean towards offering meat several times per week and a move away from rice cereals in favour of other fortified cereals although I personally wouldn't be offering wheatabix because of the sugar content.
However, if you are interested in cereals:
Ready brek is fortified and so long as you get the original (not flavoured) it is sugar free.
http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=254853914
Cow and Gate make a fabulous fortified baby muesli, the guidance is from 10 months but I started using it much younger with DS because the guidance is based on texture and we did BLW so I made this up with little milk and rolled into balls as finger food. He still has this muesli now either as balls or as slop eaten with a spoon (texture of porridge).
Cow and Gate also make a cereal very similar to wheatabix but for babies, I am pretty sure it is also fortified and sugar free.
Shredded wheat (which I doubt most LOs that age would manage to eat it is sooo dry, but maybe) is sugar free but not fortified.

I'm having trouble with my internet connection (it's raining again! uh!) so can't link the cow and gate cereals. FX this posts.


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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2014, 21:47:17 pm »
http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=262412440
there's also a banana variety

And this is for younger babies
http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=270975193

Can't find the wheatabix type things though.


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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2014, 22:24:25 pm »
I'm a bit confused by your comment that weetabix is high in sugar. We've always given it to E as it's the second lowest uk available cereal for sugar content, after shredded wheat. I know porridge oats have very low too but they're not a branded cereal so probably aren't included on the comparison tables. Am I missing something?
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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2014, 22:42:20 pm »
Interesting that nobody else has heard similar advice ..  ...on my phone and highly-drugged-up (all legal!!! :P) so will be back tomorrow...






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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2014, 22:46:53 pm »
Me? or snowbird?
I think snowbird said fortified cereals in the UK "contain so much sugar" but she gives her LO weetabix so perhaps didn't mean weetabix is high.
I didn't say weetabix was high in sugar, I only said I personally wouldn't offer it (meaning to an 8 month old like OPs LO, or when mine was under 1yo) because is contains sugar, IMO the sugar free baby versions are preferable and that's what I chose because I didn't give DS sugar in anything until he was over 1yo.  Of course I fed him copious amounts of fruit and dried fruit which is super sweet.

It's not a dig at anyone who feeds their children weetabix  :-*


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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2014, 04:19:30 am »
I think in Australia the official recommendations are to wait until 6 months to introduce solids, however my paed and nurse both recommended starting at 4 months due to new research indicating the delay in introduction of solids may be linked to increases in intolerances and allergies. I have been told with both children to introduce allergen foods eg peanut butter early (before 6 months) and include them in the diet regularly. I believe the recommendation is for milk first then solids around an hour later til around 9 months then at that age can start giving solids first. I was encouraged to start my children on meat etc before 6 months. DS (7mo) was never a good breast feeder and never happy or putting on much weight so on the advice of my chn I started him on solids about a week before turning 4 months - it was the best thing for him as he became a lot happier and started putting on more weight. He self weaned at 5 months and when I saw how little formula he was drinking (around 150ml in the morning and 40ml or less at the other 3 feeds) I was alarmed but neither the chn or gp were worried based on the fact he's putting on weight, is healthy, active and meeting developmental milestones.



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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2014, 06:01:49 am »
Sorry on my phone so can't quote, creations I didn't think anyone was having a dig at anyone :) I was just confused, and still am a little bit. But don't mind me :-*
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 07:12:23 am »
There's an NHS article with info from the Which report on cereals which shows you are right about weetabix being one of the lowest in sugar. The article also mentions reduced salt levels but some cereals are still crazy high on salt. Sorry you are confused.
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/02February/Pages/breakfast-cereals-still-too-high-in-sugar.aspx
(although I didn't see ReadyBrek mentioned, maybe there is something about it I don't know?)

Happy I think if there are new guidelines they take a while to filter through and are not always given in all areas at once. I attended a weaning course which was dead against BLW and was very clear this was an irresponsible method used by uncaring parents and kids were left alone to choke etc etc (what nonsense) whilst in the same course they said we must introduce finger food at 6 months...erm??? finger food is OK but BLW is not??  And in other areas of the country HVs had moved towards advising the BLW method instead of traditional weaning.
I don't think it means you have to change your weaning approach over night though.


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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2014, 11:45:14 am »
we dont eat well enough to BLW (on our to do list to sort out our own diets!) and we had a possible allergy with DD1 so that's why i'm going down the puree route with a new food every 3 days.....so, ya, i'm gonna  stick to that ....

what bothers me is her insistence that milk is not to be the primary source of nutrition...






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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2014, 17:09:02 pm »
I don't see how it's possible to say that solids can be the primary source of nutrition as so many 8 month olds don't eat that much in the way of solids.


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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2014, 17:38:33 pm »
Mine certainly doesn't anyway, that's for sure!






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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2014, 17:58:29 pm »
MY HV came along at  15 weeks and said that six months is recommended (unless baby can sit up unsupported and has tantrums when others eat and has the skills to feed himself).

She gave me a little BLW booklet, told me to breastfed until at least 2 years and introduce solids 'for fun' when he is ready. She also said I can feed him sweet potato with his meds.

She recommended home made liver pate in case he gets iron deficient if he doesn't eat enough (his bloods get checked every weeks anyway).

Pretty much what I am doing already :)

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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2014, 18:45:58 pm »
I view it as a transition time - my issue with the whole solids for fun before age one is that the second they turn one people expect 3 meals a day and dropping milk pretty fast to get it down to where it ought to be.

Surely 9-12 months especially needs to be a bit of a 'transition' period, to get ready for the next bit iyswim?

Certainly those kids on little/ no solids at 12 months often then have a really tough time with it all. Tastes and textures when they are less flexible. And there really are a lot of people that do truly crazy things with solid introduction. Mums on here are sensible and well read to make these decisions, but that isn't necessarily true of others.

Perhaps 'getting them ready' is the best way of looking at it.

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2014, 18:10:50 pm »
I just wanted to include the link to an article that ran in the Globe and Mail (one of the big newspapers in Canada).  It outlines the new recommending feeding guidelines in Canada, though you're in Ireland so it could be totally different.  I just thought you might want to be able to read an actual article that sounds like what your Ped is talking about.  It just came out last month.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health-advisor/into-the-mouths-of-babes-what-parents-need-to-know-about-new-canadian-feeding-guidelines-from-solids-to-sippy-cups/article18786160/

Having said that, we followed the traditional approach to solids because it works for us.  DS is 10 months old and still has three, 8oz bottles a day.  He's not a big eater so we don't push him and follow his cues but still try to give him a variety of tastes and textures that are similar, if not the same babied version, of what we eat.


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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2014, 18:48:42 pm »
But those new guidelines don't state to put an emphasis on solids over bm or formula? I just skimmed it though...
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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2014, 19:06:03 pm »
Thanks for that link hun...see.....reading that makes sense. (Iron etc etc) but what the doctor was saying just doesn't add up IMHO. I can't find anyone else who has gotten the advice to push push push the solids over the milk....I think she must have somehow gotten confused....although I'm not sure how...her own daughter has a 9 week old and is BFING, so you would expect her to have a heightened interest in all-things-baby, wouldn't you? !






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« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2014, 20:49:59 pm »
Honestly happy I think she is just confused or is pushing something that she thinks is right - I agree with Liz that it is a transition time and that gradually you do need to up the solids and drop the formula or feeds (lol Miss E takes 32 oz a day, so I figure to start dropping it at 10 months and be down to half that by age 1) but I think it is a slow process.
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« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2014, 22:30:08 pm »
Okay I just had time to reread that link better and I think I know what could be causing the confusion if the guidelines are similar where you are happy - the last bit discusses how once a child is on whole milk that a parent has to be careful that lo is not drinking so much milk that they aren't getting enough solids and thereby enough iron rich foods. It says nothing about forgoing formula/bm in favour of solids, just that emphasis is placed on iron rich foods like meats and not cereals where the iron is less bio available. So I wonder is she taking that last bit to mean all "milks" and right from when weaning is started?
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2014, 15:32:26 pm »
Perhaps, yes.....I don't know tbh!!!
I plan to continue as we are anyway!!! I'll try and get red meat into her sooner than I would have done, but I won't be actively decreasing her BFs or bottles. Good plan?!






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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2014, 15:44:38 pm »
Excellent plan.  :)

I think it's like most other things: if it doesn't make sense for you and your baby, you're the expert on her, so do what you need to do.  I'm convinced she's got something mixed up, fwiw.
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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2014, 16:02:43 pm »
Yup sounds good! Lots of time to increase solids and reduce milk by the time she is one.
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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2014, 16:57:03 pm »

we dont eat well enough to BLW (on our to do list to sort out our own diets!) and we had a possible allergy with DD1 so that's why i'm going down the puree route with a new food every 3 days.....so, ya, i'm gonna  stick to that ....

what bothers me is her insistence that milk is not to be the primary source of nutrition...

Neither did we, but it did sort out our diet too! You should do what you are comfortable with and if this is it then great.

My mention of Weetabix was that it contains sugar. I've never checked the sugar content, but had assumed it was quite low on the sugar side hence letting LJ have it if she asks for it. Just prefer Shreddies (not shredded wheat as I may have previously said in error) and porridge as they don't contain the sugar. xxx



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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2014, 16:59:10 pm »
P.s. Sounds like a good plan xxx



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Re: what are you being told by health professionals?
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2014, 18:18:45 pm »
Excellent plan.
Yes, excellent plan.

Just prefer Shreddies (not shredded wheat as I may have previously said in error) and porridge as they don't contain the sugar.
I think you were right the first time. Shredded wheat is without sugar and shreddies has sugar.


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« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2014, 18:44:22 pm »
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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2014, 18:18:55 pm »
I'm glad the link worked, and helped clarify what your Ped said!  Definitely trust your gut  :D