Nearly 27 month quick Q as i might go mad

[Sarsheep]

Hi all

Quick Q, could chatting at BT be OT rather than UT?

he always seems to settle better after a 2 hr nap........

[clazzat]

It has generally been ot in this house. What does his day look like at the moment?

[Sarsheep]

Wu 5:30-6
Nap 1-1:30/1:45 (depending on when he falls asleep) so 1.5 hr
BT in bed at 6:45 hoping for 7, ends up asleep between 8-8:30

When he does a 2hr nap he generally is asleep at 7 (am I answering my own q!?) then I cap nap next day as I figure he's had a better night......... Then we get chattering again and EW

[clazzat]

I think you are answering your own question! Unless he is very low sleep needs (which you would be aware of by now), he is not getting enough sleep in 24 hours for his age. If he is waking up at 5.30 then he should be going down for his nap at about 11.45/12, sleeping for 2 hours and going to bed at 6.30ish. One thing that it took me a while to work out when mine were at this stage was that by this age it is worth looking at the total a time during the day rather than each a time separately. So I found that about 10h was about right for the total a, and therefore a 6h a in the morning meant that the afternoon had to be 4h. Mine did best on a long morning and short afternoon, but there are lots of los who do better with a short morning and longer afternoon.

[Sarsheep]

Yes I was trying to keep nap later thinking this would help EW but it's not made much diff, only occasionally! I've not been looking at a time for a while tbh but set nap and BT but with waking so much earlier and he's a sillily happy chap even on such little sleep-does that mean lsn? He's just happy whatever tbh! He does do better with a longer am def. hmmmm I um and ah whether he's high or low sleep needs xx

[clazzat]

Ews here were always caused by ot as well, so it is entirely possible that that is where it is going wrong. My ds is very happy even when massively ot and always has been, and he is about average for sleep, so it doesn't necessarily mean that he is low sleep needs because he can cope. In fact, my dd1 has always been really high sleep needs and the only way we could tell that she was ot was that she found it hard to settle to sleep at night and woke early, so mood isn't always the best indicator.

I would try a couple of days of earlier longer nap and earlier bedtime and see how it works out for him. I do think that he is not sleeping enough, so it is worth trying to see if it helps.

Also worth bearing in mind that there is a lot going on at this stage, developmentally and physically, which can disrupt sleep too. Has he got his 2y molars?

[Sarsheep]

I'm rubbish with teeth tbh-I've no idea! How many should he have?? Eek

Yes I think 100% OT-hubby agrees!! Thank you will let you know xx

[aelight]

No real help here, but my DD is 24.5 months and sounds just the same. I have never been able to pin down her sleep needs (I think average?), but she us also chatting for 45-120 min every night at bt. It's driving me out of my mind. I've gone back and forth with capping and not capping naps, and SOMETIMES a later nap helps, but nothing works for long. She's also not getting enough sleep, but I have a feeling it's developmental, and I have to ride it out. It's awful really!!

[clazzat]

A full set of teeth, including 2y molars, is 20 teeth. There can be a lot of disruption from 2y molars before you can see anything happening.

[HenaV]

As you know, we had some crazy  sleep shenangans atbthis age. No amount of tweaking did a thing. We just had to ride it out ad manage the OT. And yes, you know what I will say, maintain as much consistency as your LO will allow xxx

[Sarsheep]

Does everyone get the molars? Odd q! I don't have them- never have, nor does 5 yr old! Maybe we're odd!
Yes Hena the shenanigans continue! We had a better BT on a 2hr nap so think we're just gonna take each day as it comes! Xx

[Sarsheep]

I meant to say I didn't get them as a child-teeth that is!!