Don't even know where to begin

[Lindsay27]

Unfortunately I can't even APOP...I've tried.  I physically cannot even hold him in the rocking chair he's so out of control.  Thrashing around and wrenching himself all around I literally can't hold him.

Tonight I just put him in his crib and sat in the rocking chair and let him to it.  He threw everything out of his crib like he usually does and demanded it all back (just so he could toss it again), so after he threw it again I told him he wasn't having it back and then I said nothing else.  And he screamed bloody murder and thrashed and acted like a maniac as per usual.  He tried to jump out of his crib twice and I caught him mid-air both times before he hit the floor and just put him back in his crib and I basically just waited it out.  Didn't say anything, didn't respond to his every demand.  This lasted 15mins but then he laid down and stopped crying and I left.

I know it sounds a bit extreme, but this is the point we are at.  I was there with him so he knew he wasn't alone and so he didn't harm himself (ie. suicide moves out of the crib) and that's all I could do for him, we've tried everything else.

[Skadiver13]

I would have done exactly the same thing. hugs hun.

[kaipooi]

Oh hugs to you. I would definitely have done the same too.

DS is a great independent sleeper too but he has gone a few times off and done the screaming thing. Firstly, I try the hugs and shhh and soothing and "mommy's here...". Then if he continues no matter, what I do, I just lay out the mattress next to his bed and lie down. And leave him to the screaming and crying, eventually he lays down and sleeps. Normally, when he degenerates to that, I only have to leave him to scream once or twice and he gets it.

[Haribo2012]

I would of done the same too hun x

[clazzat]

I think you did exactly the right thing. I hope it settles down for you soon.

[Mattsmummy]

((HUGS)) it is a hard age...
Is there anything you can do to APOP him to sleep earlier? Drive in the car maybe (if he transitions to his crib okay)
Otherwise, I agree with PP, you're doing the right thing. Sitting in the room, he knows you're there, and letting him work it out - are you closing your eyes? I used to do this with my LO. I would sit in the rocking chair or lay beside his crib and "sleep". Once he realizes he's not engaging you, he may settle faster.

He does sound massively OT poor thing.
I would continue with meds before bed though as it does sound like some sort of discomfort might be at play too.
Hang in there...it will pass.

[Lindsay27]

There was no reasoning with him and we've tried everything else for 2 weeks.  The good news is that by 7:30pm he was asleep.  The bad news is that he didn't tack on at all and still had 10hr night and was up at 5:45am.  So, all it seems to have done is shifted his day earlier. 

CM said it is hit and miss whether he will nap for her.  Yesterday he did an hour nap there.  I was a little frustrated with her because I didn't even know he wasn't napping anymore (though that is partially DHs fault too because he does drop off/pick up and didn't ask).  I fear our nap days may soon be over

[Lindsay27]

So I look in his mouth on the weekend, sure enough...half a 2yr molar is through    Still have MAJOR BT issues and I think we are going to soon have to move to a BBB or mattress on the floor type scenario because of his suicide missions out of the crib.  Right now I have to sit in the rocking chair in order for him to fall asleep or he goes bonkers and jumps out of his crib.  Hopefully things will go back to normal once the teeth are through.

[Haribo2012]

Hopefully things will calm when tooth through  x

[clazzat]

Those teeth are horrific, and to my mind all bets are off while they are growing. Hope it comes through quickly so that you can get back to normal.

[Lindsay27]

Okay ladies, help a sista out! LOL    Things are quickly going off the rails, a number of issues which I think are leading toward OT disaster status.

1. Ben is pretty much not napping at daycare anymore    He's had a few NND and others where he naps maybe 45mins.  I think part of it is that the older boys at daycare (3+) don't nap anymore, so now he doesn't want to either.  I'm frustrated with his CM because she wakes all the kids at 3pm, so sometimes that means that Ben only gets 30mins or so when I know he needs more.  On the weekends he'll do a good 2hr nap on Sat and Sun, which I think is just making up for the lack of naps during the week (and these don't seem to impact his BT).

2. BT - while he's not screaming the house down anymore or attempting suicide missions out of his crib, I struggle to get him down at a decent hour.  On a NND you'd think he'd be ready by 7pm, but it's often 8 or 8:30pm before I get him to sleep.  He just wants to roll around and chat and horse around (UT behaviour right...but on a NND or minimal nap he can't possibly be UT!).

3. EWs - oh god help me they are back.  He was a chronic EWer from 1yr til about 22months when he FINALLY kicked that bucket, but now...5:30am WUs are back.  So, on a NND with a 8pm BT and a 5:30am WU, he's only getting 9.5hrs total sleep in 24hrs    You can see where this is leading to disaster.

Other factors are obviously the molars, though they don't seem to be bothering him too much to be honest.  I still give meds at BT though just to be safe.  I think he's just chronically OT.  Not sure if there is anything I can do besides hope he catches up on the weekends and just ride it out.

Does anyone have any suggestions?  Thanks ladies 

[Skadiver13]

Whats thw earliesr you can get him in bed on a nnd?

[Lindsay27]

I would say the earliest is probably 7pm - I'm not home from work until 5:30, sometimes closer to 6 depending on the traffic (aka horrid construction), so by the time we do dinner, bath, etc.

[Skadiver13]

hmmm then eebt is out of the question I guess. Anyway to get your babysitter to stop waking him early?

[Lindsay27]

I think I should just try for as early as possible for BT, not much else I can do.

Anyway to get your babysitter to stop waking him early

Ugh, I wish.  It is a HUGE point of contention with me, drives me nuts.  But her reasoning is that because the older boys don't nap, they want to play outside, so she wakes the younger kids at 3pm to get them all outside (even though they usually spend a lot of their mornings outside too).  I'm thankful on the days it rains because she'll actually leave him and let him sleep.  She even says how he doesn't want to wake up   In any case, because of some changes with work I'm actually on the hunt for a new babysitter, but that change isn't likely going to happen until mid-September.  I think some of the nap issues are also timing related - at home it's usually 1:30 before he goes down, but at daycare it's 12:30/1 (in order to have them up by 3), but he's slightly UT for the nap so it takes him a long time to fall asleep, which is why they end up being short naps.