where to for nearly 10mo?

[3littlemen]

I'm not trying to fix what isn't broken, just wondering if I'm missing something here. We've gradually moved out first a time, and second and third a timesn vary. Our days are often long, and as a result I'm sure, our nights are short and we get EW (which I'm over). Any ideas how to get a 12hr night - without an ew bf? or is that right up there with the tooth fairy, santa claus and abominable snowmen (apparently they exist, but no one has actually seen one)....(feeling a little OT'd and pessimistic I am!)

Last few days....
Friday
up 5.50
nap (in at 9.30) 9.45 - 11.15
nap (in at 2.30) 2.35 - 3.50
bt (in at 7.30) 7.45

Sunday
ew 5am, bf in our bed and back to sleep
wu 6.30
nap 10-11.55
nap 3.25-4.05 (woken by b'bros)
bt 7.25

Monday
stirred 1ish, 3ish, in our bed??? too tired to remember
wu 6.30
nap (in at 9.40) 10-12
nap (in at 2.55) 3.10-4.15
bt (in at 7.15) crying on and off until 8.10

Today
redummied, pulled covers up at 4.30
5.35 up again and fed in our bed
wu 6.35
nap (in at 10.05 - running late) 10.30-11.40
nap (in at 2.50) 3.00 -

Typing it, it seems I've nothing to complain about. He might stir once or twice during the night, and I just check his dummies are nearby and he's got a cover over him. I've taken to feeding him and putting him into our bed, only so that he will continue to sleep. this happened since I dropped the df a month ago or so. Since dropping it though he does sleep better throughout the night. I'm wondering if I need to cap his sleeps or something so that his day doesn't get too long... I do try to keep his days to 13hr tops, in bed by 7.15pm, so hopefully asleep by 7.30pm at the latest. He still is bf, though this is the ew one, after both naps and bt, but he doesn't bf to sleep at bt anymore (he just doesn't always nod off now). He is on solids breaky, lunch and dinner with the occasional rusk or milk arrowroot biccy thrown in for a snack. He's trying to walk (and v frustrated), and has gotten over the last lot of teeth (4 in a week). His weight gain has steadied but he still has two forearm fat rolls - which dr said was a good sign of 'condition' (no kidding!). Eats like a trooper.

any ideas? just would like to get a wu that doesn't require me to bf him when he stirs at 4/5 .... mind you, there's a good chance if we just bf on wu he wouldn't be interested cos he'd be too AWAKE (read distracted) anyway!!

[jessmum46]

Have you read this? 10/11 month old sleep gone wonky? Read this first!

Startings of the 2-1 I'm afraid . Your best day/night there was a 13h day with a long nap (2h) and a short nap (40 mins).  I would actually aim for that on a more regular basis, decide whether you'd prefer a long am or long pm and then cap the other nap to keep the day to 13h max.  We actually started having some one nap days at 10 months (mainly due to pm nap refusal) so although I don't think you're ready for one nap just yet, that's the direction you're headed in over the next few months.  Good luck!

[3littlemen]

Yesterday finished with
nap 3-3.36awake but went back to sleep until I woke him at 4pm
bt asleep and in at 7.15

Last night was awful... awake at 10 (body jerking-yay) then 2, then 4 and awake at 5.50.

ouch.

I'm planning on doing long am and short pm...so would you suggest that today would look like
wu5.50
a 3hr30
nap 9.20-11.20 (capped)
a 3h20
nap 2.40pm-3.20pm(capped)
a 3h30
bt 7

I'm pretty certain that the first a time is good at 3h30 (after a shoddy night anyway) but not so sure about the others. I was pretty sure that 2-1 was where we were going, but didn't know if there was too much day sleep/a time/day time etc.
Thanks.

[jessmum46]

That looks ok although he may be a bit OT for BT with a full A time after a short nap.  Given it was a bad night you could perhaps allow a little longer for the pm nap today, or go with 40 mins but be prepared to start BT 30 mins or so early if he's struggling x

[3littlemen]

well, I think the washing machine spin cycle may have been easy to go through!

wu 5.50
napped 9.38-11.15
napped 2.38-3.28 (woken)

L dropped both times within 5 mins of being put to bed. I guess that should have tipped me off. Couldn't get bt any earlier (DH was watching) and tbh, L was his normal happy self. bt 6.45 and asleep straight out.

WE DID SLEEP FROM 6.45pm to 6.25am. We did however cry (with whole lot of trouble settling) for 1h20 at 11.45pm and again at 4am for 20m. I didn't bf, and didn't put him in our bed. So after a 10hr night, do I shorten the first a time or leave at 3h30?

ok, so today's plan
wu6.25
nap 10-12 (capped)
nap 3.30-4.10 (capped)
+3h a time'
in bed by 7.10??? the day's getting long again....

[3littlemen]

ok so I went with cues and he was red eyed and grumpy by 9.20, put him in at 9.35 and out by 9.40...It's now 11.45am, and I don't want to wake him....should I??? Damned if you do, damned if you don't!!!

argh....

Mumma running wholely and solely on coffee today!

[Mom-of-boys]

Just wanted to say I'm going through the exact same thing.  I'm lucky if DS2 wakes up at 6:00, usually it's between 5:00-5:30.  This is what I've been doing so far...
Wu 6:00 am
Nap 9:30-11:30 (capped). (If he's up at 5:00 I start the nap at 9:00)
Second nap 3:15-3:30 (max 45 min) - this one he usually wakes up at the 45 min mark
Bt. 7:00 pm
 
We're doing a long am nap, short pm nap too.  This seems to have worked pretty well the past 2 weeks but lately bt has been a bit of a struggle - although I think that's teething/developmental related.  Maybe an idea for you to try?  I also have a hard time waking up my DS2 when's he's having a long nap, but lately if I don't, he just refuses his second nap and that leads to a disastrous evening!

[3littlemen]

Thanks Mom-of-boys for replying. It's nice to have someone on the 'same boat' with you! You're little bloke is Wesley I see, Wesley is L's middle name!

He ended up waking as I posted so that's good. L was beautifully happy!! In for next nap at 2.40pm, asleep by 2.50pm, so 3hr a time. Off to wake him now after 40min, so I guess that's a 3hr til bt?? Making it 6.30? 

Fingers crossed today doesn't bite me in the bum! (Mind you, in my current state, that could only be a good thing - it might wake me up!)

[jessmum46]

Sounds like he needed the catch up.  Fingers crossed for BT x

[3littlemen]

Well, we were in bed by 6.30 and out by 6.45pm... guess who slept through continuously until 5.45!!!! YAhoo.... Now if only to replicate it!

Is it normal/common to have 3 different a times throughout the day? (Yesterday was 3h30,3h05,3h15)

[Mom-of-boys]

Yay for a great sleep! 

[jessmum46]

Fantastic!  Yes it's ok to have different A times throughout the day, the shorter ones may have reflected that he still had some OT to catch up on x

[3littlemen]

Today was a little different despite the good brilliant night last night,

wu 5.45am
napped (in at 9.05) 9.10/15?-10.05/10?am
napped (in at 1.25) 1.40pm - 2.40-3.20pm
in bed asleep by 6.30
8.20pm now and murmuring (but not crying - at least not yet!)fx

I'm pretty happy with the naps, he puts himself to sleep, and sometimes resettles himself (as he did today). Do you think today looked UT then? and if so, which a time do I shift out?? I don't mean to count my chickens but if the stars should align Liam starts sleeping consistently for 11hours no drama, how do I then shift bt? Or should I wait for that alignment first?!

[jessmum46]

I would start with your first A time and push that out until you get a longer nap.  Once the routine stabilises you can shift your day in increments as you would to adjust for DST

[3littlemen]

Thanks Katherine. The last few mornings (for whatever reason) his first nap has been under 45min so today I moved it out another 15min and got 1h30. Last night he'd had 10h30 minus half hour or so up crying (new teeth maybe).

At this point, does UT still give you happy long NW or has that changed? L officially started walking on Saturday, 2days shy of his 10mo b'day, but I'd hardly think that would cause him to wake up crying would it? I can see the tooth poking through the gum - hence I'm thinking it might just be that.

I'm sure I've checked the FAQ's but is 3hr too much day sleep (regardless of how it comes)?