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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #180 on: September 18, 2014, 19:29:42 pm »
Ok its done! I left his room at 8.20- he's clearly ot cos he's talking to himself usually he's out like a light! But I was expecting that. If his wu is still stupid early (before 6.30) I will push BT to 9pm for next few days...creations how long did you do the 2h later BT for before wu was at a reasonable hr...I know each lo differs but interested anyway :)
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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #181 on: September 18, 2014, 19:56:31 pm »
Good luck!!!
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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #182 on: September 19, 2014, 08:18:18 am »
I don't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure it was within a week.
It was over a clock change time and rather than doing 15 min increments which just does not work for him, I think I did 30min night 1, then another 30 min night 2, etc so by night 4 we were 2 hrs later than original BT. I think by the end of that week he'd shifted his morning WU (and the clocks had changed) and I brought BT 1 hr earlier, probably in increments to ensure the WU didn't fall back.
He was younger then of course, I think now I'd push faster because he's older.

...just hunted down my thread from last year. DS was about 2yrs 10  months. Everyone who supported me on the thread was worried about OT with pushing hard but it turned out brilliantly successful and he lost way less sleep overall.
Turns out I did 30 min increments for 3 consecutive nights.  To save you reading the full thread this is where I summarize the shift:
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I started at BT before clock change, but I think it could have been faster if I'd pushed harder in the first couple days and there was a day I allowed a 30 min nap in the car which didn't help.
day 1 30min later
day 2 30 min later (total now 1hr - full clock change)
day 3 30 min later (total now 1.5hr so clock change plus 30 min)
day 4,5,6 same (ie 1.5hrs)
day 7 back 30 min (back to regular time, so full 1hr clock change but not plus anything)
(still waking a bit earlier than he should but has shifted almost the hour)

This gave us a night of 6.30pm to 6.15am.  I know those times don't sound great but the point is the method not the times, his body clock was stuck at 5.15am.  Pretty sure I did the same method shortly after, again pushing further than I wanted it to be to force another body clock shift.
This is the method I will be using this year at clock change but I will go faster because dawdling just didn't help, because he is older and will handle it, and because I am far more confident in making changes. My plan this year is to push 1.5 to 2hrs over 3 or 4 days and have the shift complete within 1 week, I'll prob go straight for a 1hr shift on night 1 then 30min to 1hr shift on night 2 and just get the job done.

FWIW anna says on that thread that she also pushed beyond the desired time, so pushing 1.5 to 2hrs to get a 1 hr shift.
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Actually I'd probably go even later than the 'new' time. I did it a few times with Stan who was an awful and chronic EWer... it would work temporarily but he'd inevitably slip back to his preferred time of 5am - but you might have better luck than me! If bedtime before the clock change was 6.30, I'd do bedtime of 7 or even 7.30 (new time).

hth and good luck. Way I see it, it can't get much worse. When I posted asking for radical ideas I really felt I needed something radical, I'd done all the other stuff and he had continued to wake early for ever. Actually wish it'd done it much sooner despite him being young then.


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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #183 on: September 19, 2014, 10:17:03 am »
Thanks creations that does help! I think ds is like your ds and Stan and if anything works its going to have to be radical as this has been going on for over two years now! (Eek where does the time go?!)

He did 8.30-6 :-\ ::) stubborn boy! But I'm doing 9pm BT tonight and sticking to it until he has at least 7am wu!
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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #184 on: September 20, 2014, 06:07:30 am »
9-6.45 :) but I'm not getting too excited. He's done this before had a few days/ weeks of post 6 wus and then gone back to 5/5.30 ::)

Any tips on how to shift MY body clock?! I've been up since 5 every day this week!
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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #185 on: September 20, 2014, 10:28:40 am »
What time was BT originally? 7.30pm?
What time is the gro clock set to now?


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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #186 on: September 20, 2014, 11:08:39 am »
Bt was 7.30 for ages but when he started school he had a few 7 pm bts after the 5.30 wus started. Gri clock is set to 7 am so he as very happy he only had to wait 15 mins. He thinks he slept ages ::) 
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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #187 on: September 20, 2014, 17:36:36 pm »
Good luck for tonight and tomorrow morning!


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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #188 on: September 21, 2014, 06:24:15 am »
Big *sigh* 6.20 today :(
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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #189 on: September 21, 2014, 14:53:28 pm »
Sorry chick  :P He just started school right?? Olly's WU is getting earlier and earlier as he gets more OT and OS with starting school. I am hoping in a few weeks he will start to sleep longer again!

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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #190 on: September 21, 2014, 18:20:40 pm »
Vibes for a better night tonight.


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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #191 on: September 22, 2014, 05:45:07 am »
6.15 today.

I'm losing the will to live :( surely wu should be later than this after four 9h nights???
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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #192 on: September 22, 2014, 05:50:55 am »
This is what I think he will do  ???. My DS is the same.

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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #193 on: September 22, 2014, 06:03:34 am »
Thanks hon. Guess I just need to stick with it for a bit longer ???
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Re: shifting 4 yo body clock
« Reply #194 on: September 22, 2014, 07:04:30 am »
Big hugs Aishi, I know how much this must be frustrating you.  Just an idea, and it may be not what you want, but if his body clock is that stubbornly set is there somehow you can find a way of working with it?  Just working on Tracy's principle of 'loving the child you have' (I know this was referring to sprited, touchy, textbook etc rather than sleep but thought it may help) then if DS is a lark, can you focus more on what he does or should do at that early time in order to allow you the rest you need too rather than trying to make him something he perhaps isn't?  Just strikes me that if you have spent two years being frustrated about his WU time without success, then maybe his WU time isn't something you can 'fix' iykwim?