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Re: 14 month old unpredictable naps
« on: September 04, 2014, 05:44:11 am »
Hi ladies. Am back!

DS is now 14 months old, a healthy and happy child, touchwood! Unfortunately, the spectre of night wakings, esp. extended wakings has not gone away from his sleep.

Here's what his typical day looks like:

WU 7 am
Nap 12 pm to 2 pm
BT 8.30 pm

However, at night he has been having extended wakings, anywhere between 1 to 2 hours long. Once, even 3 hours! The waking happens usually between 3 to 4 hours after going to sleep.

When that happens, he sometimes makes up for at least some of the lost sleep by sleeping in till 8/8.30 am the next morning, in which case his whole timing gets pushed to later, the nap happens at 1/1.30, from which I wake him up by 3.30, and then bedtime happens between 9.30-10.

But sometimes, he doesn't make up for the lost sleep and wakes up at his usual 7 am (sometimes even 6.30), which means he's slept for only 8-9 hours at night, in which case he gets sleepy for his nap earlier than usual, within 3-4 hours of morning WU. When this happens, he sometimes takes a nice long nap (I assume he's making up for the previous night's lost sleep), say from 11 am to 2 pm, and then the bedtime becomes 8.30 pm, which is perfect. Sometimes he takes only a 1.5 or 2 hour nap, so he wakes up by 1, so stretch him till 7.30 pm at least for BT, because if I put him down any earlier he treats it like a nap and wakes up, ready to play!

If he wakes up from nap any earlier than 1 pm, I give him a short 2nd nap around 4.30 pm and then the BT becomes a really late 10.30/11 pm! However this is rare.

During the extended waking at night, basically it seems as if he's just run out of sleep. He knows that the room is dark and he should sleep, he wants to sleep, but isn't able to. I don't think there's any discomfort. I pat him, I take him in my arms and gently rock him, or take him in my lap and sit down with him, and he seems to quieten down, but is not asleep. The second I try to put him down in the cot he cries and wants to be picked up again. The latest feature of this extended waking (ExW) is that he wants mommy only, cries harder if daddy or nanny go in to pat him. What fun!

Finally, after about 45 minutes of trying, if he just doesn't seem like he's going to settle, I give him milk in his bottle, which he takes readily. 50% of the time he drifts off shortly after that, 50% of the time he's still whimpering/squirming. Sometimes I give him the bottle early on, but that doesn't help him sleep off earlier.

Last night he wouldn't settle even after a bottle and 1.5 hours of trying. So I lay down with him (there's a mattress on the floor in his room, he sleeps in his cot, always has) and initially he was more squirmy than usual because I guess he's not used to going to sleep like that, but then he quietened down and after another 30 minutes or so of restless but sleepy squirming he drifted off to sleep. I let him sleep like that for about an hour or so, then put him in the cot. He slept for another 2 hours after that, then woke up at 8.30 am.

Phew! I honestly don't think I can take these ExW's any more. It seems all our good sleep training work with the BW technique has come undone. Worst is, I cannot understand WHY this is happening. Is it separation anxiety (because he seems to want mommy only)? Is it a growth spurt, and he needs more milk? Is it a routine issue?

I must point out that the ExW happens regardless of whether he's slept 1.5 hours in his afternoon nap or 3. Apart from the ExW, he has maybe 2-3 other wakings wherein he cries out, we wait about 30 seconds to see if he self-settles, and we go in and pat him, and within a minute or two (rarely but sometimes ten) he sleeps off.

He has no lovies or pacifiers. Is on a decent range of solid foods through the day, and takes 2 milk feeds, about 5 oz each, plus the 1 feed of another 5 oz that he takes in the ExW.

Please help, I didn't want to do the co-sleeping thing that I tried last night but I was at my wits' end!

Please help!





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Re: 14 month old unpredictable naps
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2014, 17:37:16 pm »
Hello! Just some of my ideas, maybe they will help!

I guess his initial night wakings may be due to OT. Why you put him down to bed at 8:30 after 6,5h A time? In the morning you do only 5h and have a decent nap. Than when his night was poor you let him sleep longer which mess the whole day.

I would try to stick to a routine with slight amendments only so:
- wake him at 7:15 is he has not waken by himself
- put him down for a nap around 12: slightly earlier if he had a bad night, slightly later if he wake at 7:15
- I would wake him from a nap at 2pm and regardless what's going on, I would try to put him down around 7pm for night

If you already tried this BT but he is just used to shorter night I would try to resettle in the morning if possible, eventually make a nap if needed slightly earlier and finally stick to 7pm BT. WDYT?
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Re: 14 month old unpredictable naps
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 13:39:44 pm »
Dear Martii85, thanks a ton for your response. Sorry I didn't write in earlier, I forgot to click 'notify me' and didn't get a notification so I was wondering what happened!

Will try what you're suggesting, although I must admit I've tried putting him down for BT earlier than 6.5 hours and haven't had much success. He either (a) fights BT a lot, or (b) still has extended wakings regardless of how long his A time has been.

Could there be any other reasons for the extended wakings?



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Re: 14 month old unpredictable naps
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 14:32:18 pm »
I have to say I agree,
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My initail thoughts when I saw your post was that your LO is OT. It's a long day in a 2h nap ime at this age. We had a 12hour day and a total of 3-3.5h dots at this age for example. That of course is not typical of every child but perhaps helps re: other lo's SNs at this age.

The only other thing I can think of at this age which could be causing disruption is teeth, or something developmental - eg practicing new skills - crawling, walking, talking

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Re: 14 month old unpredictable naps
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2014, 07:33:24 am »
What time did you tried to put him down...? Do you know if he likes or not longer/shorter A till BT?

I still would think he is OT rather then UT, but maybe we can consider also UT option. Have you ever considered your son being LSN? How much he slept when being younger? When he dropped to one nap?

I will ask other mods for opinion, maybe someone will have some helpful advice!
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Re: Re: 14 month old unpredictable naps
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 07:56:39 am »
Just popping in with a couple of thoughts :) here long NWs have generally been due to discomfort (molars/canines-do pain meds help?) or LO being UT. Rarely, extreme OT, that did happen for a while when we dropped to one nap.  His behaviour could be UT, that's what I thought to start but looking again I do think the other explanations are more likely.  Any major changes in his life at the moment eg house move, new playgroup etc? Is he a completely independent sleeper for nap and BT?

At this age we had a set nap and BT which you may find helps. I found if I shifted the routine to adjust for a later WU then we had issues. The way I see it is if LO had a lie in, they probably needed it. By making nap and BT later the. You are taking away the extra sleep from them again and not allowing them chance to catch up.

If it were me I would be tempted to set nap and BT (I agree I would do earlier BT than 8.30pm, we were on 11.45 nap and 6.30pm BT at this age with a 6.30/7 WU) and not shift the routine if he happens to sleep in. What do you think?
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