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8.5 mo 2-1 Transition? Too much/little sleep?
« on: September 09, 2014, 16:51:26 pm »
My DD is 8.5 months old (corrected age is 7.5mo). We’ve been on EASY since she was 5 mos, but we’ve had our battles with short naps, OT, and habitual waking. After taking the Baby Type Quiz, she is a combo of spirited and textbook, with a bit of touchy. Isn’t it the best of all worlds? She is breastfed and started solids at 6.5mo. We sleep trained her at 5 months using PU/PD. We have also adapted it to her age. I try to put her down drowsy, and let her drift off. But half the time she is a little restless, and I have to pick her up once or twice. On a bad day, it’s more. And she loves to whimper and wrestle a bit even before I put her down. For her naps, if she wakes up between a cycle, she usually can’t resettle. And at night, we usually have had to go into her room 1-2 times a night to resettle her. But on good nights, we hear her cry out and then resettle herself.

About 3 weeks ago, we were doing well. She was sleeping through her morning nap for 1hr-1.5hrs with 3-3.5hr A time. Though her afternoon nap was always a bit tricker. Sometimes she would make it through, and sometimes she wouldn’t. They were anywhere from 30mins or 1hr+PU/PD.

But these past two weeks have been insane. She hasn’t slept through her morning nap in 2 weeks nor her afternoon nap. I’ve always had to do PU/PD. And sometimes, she just wouldn’t go back to sleep. On average, it’s been about 2 hrs of day sleep a day. At night we’ve had to resettle her anywhere from 2-4 times a night.

I’ve been fiddling with her A time, but I can’t tell if it’s working. During the good weeks she had an A time of 3-3.5 hrs and she would sleep through them. But the other day with an A time of 3.5 hrs, she woke up 30 mins later. Doesn’t that mean she’s overtired? And though I was able to put her down again, she woke up 10 mins later, wide awake. I’m really confused! And today, she had an A time of 4 hours, and she woke up 30 mins later again. Yet, I was still able to resettle her.

I know it might be teething, but we give her medication for it before bed, whenever we see all the signs. And it might even be a wonder week. And there’s definitely separation anxiety, because she’s clingier than usual even though she’s a really good independent play baby. And she is still trying to master crawling. It is ALL these things.

This was our happy EASY:

A time of 3-3.5hrs (some days a bit more w/o problems)
Two naps; avg 2 hrs
Total daytime sleep: 2 hours
Total nighttime sleep: 11hr30

WU at 6-6:30am (She wakes us up)
E 6:30-7am Breastfeed
E 8:30 Cereal and fruit
S 10-11:30am Nap 1.5hrs
E  11:30pm Breastfeed
E 1pm Lunch
S  2-4pm Nap 30-45 mins
E 4pm Dinner
A 6pm Bath
E 6:30pm Breastfeed
S 7pm Bedtime
E 10:30 Dreamfeed

I still give her a dreamfeed because she is a small and active baby. But will probably cut it out around 9 months.

Our unhappy EASY:

WU at 5:30-6
E 6:30 BF
E 7:45 Breakfast
S 9-10:30/11 Usually has to be resettled once
E 11 BF
E 12:30 Lunch
S 2:30-4 Usually has to be resettled once
E 4:30 Dinner
A 6 Bath
E 6:30 BF
S 7/7:30 Bedtime
E 10:30 Dreamfeed

I really don’t know how to proceed. She seems to be okay, even if a bit OT now and then. But maybe she just needs little sleep? It’s an average of a little more than 2 hours of day sleep. She has only slept through a quarter of her naps in 2 weeks! There have also been more night wakings for us as well. Though we're trying for one long nap and one short, either in the morning or in the afternoon at this point, how will I know if that's too little sleep for her? Or if she slept through both her naps if it's too much? Should I start capping her morning nap? But I don’t really understand, how to or why cap naps. Even if this all passes, I’m not quite sure how to get back on track. Any advice, suggestions, or general support would be very helpful! Thank you, if you’ve just read this far. I’m exhausted just writing it all.

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Re: 8.5 mo 2-1 Transition? Too much/little sleep?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2014, 12:50:21 pm »
Hugs, hun, you sound really stressed out!  :(

I'm thinking maybe you've a combination of UT and OT going on here, the trickly old classic UT/OT loop.  You say she often resists going for her naps - could that be UT? And then she gets OT in the course of the day because she has had too short a nap, and then, in turn, she's getting OT and unable to settle down.  There is a lot going on at this age so hard to say that NWs are definitely related to OT but for us OT always causes NWs. Early WUs can also be a sign of OT, as they can be related to having a too long day, the day before.  I see in your unhappy EASY (oh you poor thing) she's up at 5.30 and goes to bed at 7.30, which is really long day.  An early BT might help her sleep a bit later, strange as that sounds.

Are you getting resistance to sleep and then popping up awake for the first nap?  In that case, I would push it a shade later, maybe by 15 mins.  I would also cap it to an hour and see if that helps you with the afternoon nap. 

HTH.
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Re: 8.5 mo 2-1 Transition? Too much/little sleep?
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2014, 15:40:59 pm »
Thanks for the response Weaver. We've a few funny days. I think it may be a mix of OT/UT and the very very beginnings of the 2-1 transition. She can be awake for 4 hours no problem now, which means that 4hr A time is a lot to fit in a day.

This was our day Thursday:
WU 5am!!
E 6am BF
E 6:45am Breakfast
S 8:50-10:15 w/1 resettling
E 10:30 BF
E 12:30 Lunch
S 1:50-3:45 w/1 resettling
E 6:15 BF
S 7pm Bedtime
E 10:30 Dreamfeed

She didn't resist either of those naps, so she was probably OT. I tried putting her to bed at 6:30, but she just wasn't sleepy! But there were no night wakings. But she did wake up at 5:45am the next day. I usually just left her in the cot to play until 6:30am.

Friday:
WU 5:45am
E 6:30am
E 7:45am Breakfast
S 8:50-10:20am! Her first FULL morning nap in weeks!
E 10:30am
E 12:30pm Breakfast
S 2:30-4pm! A full nap w/o resettling
E 4:15pm Dinner
E 6:15pm BF
S 8:30pm

After I fed her, we had some quiet time, and even though she was yawning and rubbing her eyes, she didn't settle until 8:30! I was so frustrated because she had a day with two perfect naps for the first time in 3 weeks. After trying for an hour, I let my husband try. But that only seemed to anger her. So is it possible that she got too much day sleep on Friday?

This morning:
WU 5:50am
E 6:30am
E 7:45am
S 9:15-10am She woke up happy
E 11am
E 12:45pm
S 2-3:30pm A full nap!

We'll try to put her to sleep at 6:30 tonight to catch up on some sleep. Hopefully with a little bit of roughhousing and lots of crawling she'll be tired enough for an EBT because she has been resisting bedtime. We haven't gotten resistance for the first nap, but it does look like we're going to have to start capping naps so she won't be getting too much day sleep and tired enough for her afternoon nap. Thanks HTH for your confirmation and insights!

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Re: 8.5 mo 2-1 Transition? Too much/little sleep?
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2014, 19:12:01 pm »
Today, she didn't get to sleep until 7:30. There wasn't really resistance, she was just awake! We were just sitting in the dark together while she babbled. We'll have to wait and see what time she gets up in the morning...