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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #105 on: November 17, 2014, 13:53:05 pm »
I apologize in advance for this craziness.  I've been totally winging it, mostly out of frustration, so there really is no routine to the following days that I will post.

FRIDAY
WU-5:40
A-3hrs10min
S-35min
A-3hrs10min
S-1hr5min
A-4hrs5min
BT-5:45
up at 4:22am

SATURDAY
WU-4:22
A-4hrs30min
S-1hr5min
A-4hrs5min
S-40min
A-3hrs45min
BT-6:25
NW-2:35 (ss after a few minutes)
NW-4:12 (fed)
S-5-6:30am

SUNDAY
WU-6:30am
A-3hrs30min
S-1hr10min
A-3hrs25min
S-25min
A-3hrs30min
BT-6:30
plenty of NWs
S-4:34-5:37am

As you can see, there is no schedule, and the A times vary widely.  The reason for this is always to get to a BT that isn't 5pm.  It's bad enough being 630pm.  When I look at my logs, it seems like to avoid NWs, this child needs a 14hr day, and 4+ A times......even after 30 minute naps.  I have absolutely no idea anymore.

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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #106 on: November 17, 2014, 17:30:58 pm »
Have you managed to make BT around 8pm at least once?
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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #107 on: November 17, 2014, 20:03:22 pm »
Once....with multiple NWs and a 420WU!

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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #108 on: November 17, 2014, 22:05:32 pm »
Gosh, nightmare!
Ok, it's late here. Will be back tomorrow and let's figure sth out. There has to be a way out of this madness and you will find it!

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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #109 on: November 18, 2014, 03:48:56 am »
Yk I wonder are you stuck in an ot/ut loop that has shifted over to ot? How is lo's mood overall? Tbh with that 6:30 am wake I would have gone for broke and done as long an A time as possible to try and do one nap....and still pushed the 2nd A to bed, but I am a bit crazy like that!
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« Reply #110 on: November 18, 2014, 10:48:59 am »
Believe me, I thought the same.  I also wondered after the days of getting only 90minutes in nap time per day, whether it wouldn't have been more restorative to have them occur in one nap, rather than from two crappy ones, iykwim.  No offense to BW ideology, but it has me so worried about anything and everything causing OT, that it makes me think that one nap may cause more harm than good.  I really honestly have no idea what I'm doing anymore, nor do I trust my instincts in any way.   I am totally guessing at A times and hoping for the best.  Yesterday we did a 20 minute catnap from 410-430, bt of 7pm, and she woke at 5am without any NWs.  This has thrown me for a loop.  I may try it again tonight, and try for a 730 or 8pm bt.

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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2014, 13:04:26 pm »
Maybe she needs to catch up on sleep a bit before being ready to start the 2-1? OT isn't really the worst thing, eventually in the 2-1 you get to a point where you have to push through it or you will be stuck in that ut/ot loop for ages. I just got impatient and did the switch cold turkey with all three and we just coped with the ot as best we could! Do you think more set naps might help you?
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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #112 on: November 18, 2014, 13:15:05 pm »
I would go for another catnap today if you ask me to push BT to 8pm - hopefully it will work.
But agree with Heidi in general. Catnap is only a short-term solution at this age and for the days you have a reasonable WU close to 6am, I would push push push A:).

Btw - I stopped giving a 3rd nap for my LO only 3 weeks ago. At 8,5mo! And he is LSN I think. Our naps were very short because of nursery, so he slept for 20-40min 3xday, summing up to 1.5h. He was doing a 12h night on this schedule. So I am not such a big fan of pushing to less naps when LO is sleeping so shortly on naps.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2014, 13:22:09 pm by Martii85 »
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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #113 on: November 18, 2014, 13:25:25 pm »
I've also thought about set naps, but it seems that no matter what I do, I always end up short at the end of the day, trying to push LO to 4.5hrs A time after a 30 minute nap.  If you look at the days I posted, she did the same nap length of 1hr5min after 3hr10 A time, and then after 4hr30 A time.  She just makes no sense.  Keeping the am nap to 30 minutes in hopes of getting a long pm nap, didn't always work and we'd be left with 2 short naps, or even a long nap that still ended at 130-2pm....still giving us a 630 is bedtime.

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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #114 on: November 18, 2014, 13:40:56 pm »
You know, with that low consistency in naps length - I wouldn't wake from first nap if you ask me. This solution is great for mothers who know they can get long nap after a decent A. I have resigned from that solution recently even if that routine suited me much better because 2 short naps is not enough to survive the day for us.
So for set naps, I would start with setting first nap for couple of days and see if you have any consistency in length. Then push if needed. With 6am WU and a hope for 14h day it has to be 4-4:30A in my opinion. First nap is rarely OT as they are still quite well rested after night and pushing A here works well. Looking at your log, 2 out of 3 days you got 1h+ nap in the morning which is fine I guess.

Extreme scenario below with 10h night and only 1,5h daytime sleep. If you have a longer nap or night, give him slightly less A (less than 4,5h):
6am WU
10:30-11:30 nap 1h after 4,5h A
16:00 - 16:30 nap 30min after 4,5h A
20:00 BT (after 3,5)
« Last Edit: November 18, 2014, 14:20:13 pm by Martii85 »
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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #115 on: November 18, 2014, 14:09:27 pm »
Looks great, the problem is that we never have 6am WU.....that's the goal!  As for the capped 30min nap, I haven't done it in a while, as it never got me a consistent afternoon nap.  I just let her sleep as long as she wants, knowing that it is still is never enough :-\ I'm having so much trouble timing the second nap and am wondering if it doesn't really matter what I do.  If she's had over an hour for morning nap, I get a 30 minute second nap.....always, which is never enough to carry through to a decent BT.

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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #116 on: November 18, 2014, 14:19:09 pm »
The routine I proposed is based on 30min afternoon nap (I wrote 1h but the timing was 30min! - sorry!). You can shift it to 5am WU and 7pm BT if you have an earlier wake up. The idea is to push morning A. I think that your LO is doing 10h+ nights so there is a chance that from 7pm-5am night you will finally be at 8pm-6am. I just would try to push to 14h day and move BT up to 8pm to make this EWU bearable for you. WDYT?
« Last Edit: November 18, 2014, 14:20:41 pm by Martii85 »
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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #117 on: November 18, 2014, 14:45:06 pm »
Sorry Martii85, I'm a little dense (or maybe just sleep deprived).  Can you post the proposed schedule again, based on a 5am WU?

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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #118 on: November 18, 2014, 15:27:17 pm »
Yes of course Hon.

5am WU
9:30-10:30am nap 1h after 4,5h A
3:00-3:30pm nap 30min after 4,5h A
7pm BT after 3,5h A
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Re: LSN or something else?
« Reply #119 on: November 19, 2014, 10:51:27 am »
So yesterday went something like this....

WU-5am
3hrs55min-A
1hr-S(she woke herself)
3hrs-A(no way she would have lasted 4.5hrs....she seemed tired after 2.5hrs and fell asleep immediately in the car)
1hr20min-S(never would have done this in the crib, but since we were driving she did)
4hrs30min-A(this felt too long even after a good nap, so don't know how she'd do it after a 30 min nap)
6:45-BT
930-NW
11:11-NW
up at 5:07 for the day!

Can't see how I'm ever going to make an 8pm BT without a third nap.  I feel like I really stretched her, and still got a far too early WU.  This is just so frustrating!