LO 19 weeks early wake up/wake up at night

[NinNic]

Ok, you are right, just I didn't see any sleepy cues. I will go by the clock and increase and see how much A time she needs in pm. After that I will see if I need to cap her pm nap to get her to bed by 7 pm, does that sound like an ok plan?

She fell asleep fine this evening at 7:40 pm after being awake from 4 pm. Is this too long A time also? She didn't show signs of being tired earlier so didn't want to put her down before she was tired. It took her about 10 mins to fall asleep. It's just don't want to put her too early and then she cries and fusses and it takes her even longer to get to sleep.

[Ima shel Alon]

does that sound like an ok plan?

It does to me .

Is this too long A time also? She didn't show signs of being tired earlier so didn't want to put her down before she was tired. It took her about 10 mins to fall asleep. It's just don't want to put her too early and then she cries and fusses and it takes her even longer to get to sleep.

I know what you mean, OT is far easier to cope with than UT. I do think the A time was a bit too long, perhaps 10-15min shorter than what she had?

[NinNic]

For 2 days now I have tried to increase pm A time to 3h 20mins, but I can't get her to fall asleep until 3h 40mins. She dosen't seem ready to fall asleep so I have to pat her and help her to fall asleep. She still wakes up after about 35mins into nap and resettling is not easy and I don't think she sleeps a deep sleep and wakes up again. Should I still try 3h 20mins tomorrow as well as it will be 3rd day?

She is rolling in bed when she is not tired enough I think, when she has rolled over to her back she is talking. Is this a rolling thing or do you think she is not tired enough for her naps? I mean when she is tired she usually falls asleep!

In the morning she still wakes at around 5:30 am, I BF her to see if she goes back to sleep and she doesn't even when I pat her. Today I picked her up at 7 am. I am not quite sure when to put her down for am nap. I know Katie you advised me to go by when I pick her up, but that is 1h 30min difference. I put her down at 8:50 am, but she refused so it was too early, I took her up and tried again at 9:35 am and she fell asleep at 9:40 am and slept for 1h 30mins. Should I just go by when I pick her up and put her down earlier than 3h if she seems very tired?

She fell asleep this evening after A time of 3h 20mins at 7:25 pm, she had slept around 1h total pm nap. It's a long day!

[Ima shel Alon]

Did she learn recently to roll? If she learnt a new skill then it can effect her sleep.
You can try 3.5h A time instead of 3:20 and see if it makes a difference.

I would also start counting A time when taking LO out of bed. You can always put her earlier to sleep if you think she is too tired. 

[katie80]

Agree with Noa.

I wonder if she's getting herself OS/OT with the rolling. It sounds like she's only doing about 10hr nights and having lots of broken naps? The best thing to do in a developmental blip is to stay consistent and she will come back around to more regulated sleep.

[NinNic]

Thanks for your replies. 

Yes she did learn recently how to roll. She is now a bit calmer with rolling in bed.

These are our last 3 days of EASY:

Sat 10 Jan:
WU around 6:30 picked up 6:45
E 7:45
S 9:56-11:27
E 12:09
S Put in cot 15:00 started crying 15:25 crying wanting to roll  patting until fell asleep 15:51
WU 16.30 wide awake did not try to get her back to sleep
E 16:43, 19:03
Put to bed 19:30 fell asleep 19:41
DF 22:10
BF 4:19
WU 5:50 fell asleep again not sure when as I fell asleep

Sun 11 Jan:
WU 7:00
E 7:54
S 10:00
WU 11:22
E 11:50
S 14:56-16:24
E 16:30, 18:36
Put to bed 19:27 fell asleep 19:46
DF 22:10
BF 4:28-4:35 fell asleep 5:02

Mon 12 Jan:
WU 6:10 turned on her lights and good morning 6:37 picked up 6:55
E 7:54
S 9:53-11:24
E 11:46
Put in bed on back 14:50 crying put on stomach and patted wanted to roll, fell asleep 15:09 WU 15:48 patted 15:48-15:58 fell asleep 15:54-16:42
E 16:50, 18:50
Put in bed 19:40 fell asleep 20:00

I sometime wake her from naps when she has slept 1h 30mins (if she doens't wake herself) so that days won't be even longer and to know how much A time she needs after that amount of nap time.

What is your advice, how should I continue? Seems like she might need a bit more A time in morning to sleep full nap, what do you think? How about afternoon A time, continue with 3h 30mins? She is still waking early in the morning.

Should I wait with capping afternoon nap?

Just to be clear on A time, if I turn on the lights and say good morning and she is lying in bed awake by herself for a while does that not count as A time or when I pick her up?

For her naps, does A time start when I go into her and turn on lights or pick her up? She likes to lie in bed for a while with lights on when she has woken up.

[Ima shel Alon]

Just to be clear on A time, if I turn on the lights and say good morning and she is lying in bed awake by herself for a while does that not count as A time or when I pick her up?

For her naps, does A time start when I go into her and turn on lights or pick her up? She likes to lie in bed for a while with lights on when she has woken up.

Usually one starts counting A times with eyes open, even if LO stays a bit in his cot.

It looks to me like you are doing great! You get almost all naps as full naps, that's good!
It seems like 3:15h A time gives you a good nap in the morning and the 3.5h in the afternoon sometimes gives you a good nap and sometimes OT. Maybe it's worth looking more at her sleepy cues for this second nap and see if she would show signs a little bit earlier than 3.5h just to prevent this OT nap. But TBH I would just keep on doing what you are doing, it's a pretty good routine for a baby her age.

I would try and keep the day a bit shorter because she wakes up at 6 so I would probably aim for a 19 BT.

[NinNic]

Thanks for info!

Should I cap her pm nap so that we can get to 12h days or what should I do and by how much at this stage? Is 10h not too little sleep for her? I really want to go down to 12h days like before. How do I move her WU to 7 am instead of 6 am and bedtime to 7 pm instead of 8 pm?

[Ima shel Alon]

Well, I would just move BT to 19 and see what happens, even if it means that her last A time is shorter than the rest of the day. My DS always had a shorter A time before BT so maybe it will work for your LO as well.
If you manage to put her to bed at 19 and she wakes up the next day at 6 that's a really good night, many babies do 11h at night and not 12.
For now I wouldn't cap the nap, IMO it's the last resort.

[NinNic]

Ok, I will try that! How mich A time did your DS have before bedtime at almost 7 months?

Before we had 7 am-7 pm days. Can this change overtime with LO? Thought as the get older they sleep more closer to 12h nights? 

[katie80]

Before we had 7 am-7 pm days. Can this change overtime with LO? Thought as the get older they sleep more closer to 12h nights? 

Not really, some babies only ever do 11hr overnight, and for some it can fluctuate based on naps. My DD always did around 11.5-12hr (she wasn't much of a napper). My DS1 fluctuated between 11 and 12hr depending on naps. As he got close to nap transitions, his nights were usually 11hr and once a nap was dropped they went back to 12 and then the cycle repeated. I'd say where you're at with good naps an 11hr night is great.

[NinNic]

We had closer to 12h nights before so I know she can sleep for 12h. Now that LO days are longer it has changed. If we are aiming towards 13h days will nights not be more than 11h usually or can it still be 12h?

[katie80]

We had closer to 12h nights before so I know she can sleep for 12h. Now that LO days are longer it has changed. If we are aiming towards 13h days will nights not be more than 11h usually or can it still be 12h?

She can do 12hr, but she may not need it right now. I don't know that you could continually do a 13hr day and 12hr night... mathematically, it doesn't make sense, as the day would continue to go later and later.

[NinNic]

Of course! Don't know what I was thinking 

[katie80]

It's the LOs... they take all our brainpower!