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3 -2 transition - shorten naps? Push A times throughout?
« on: December 18, 2014, 01:08:04 am »
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We seem to be in the middle of the 3 - 2 nap transition and im wondering if there is a recommended time for each nap so that baby isnt ot or ut when it comes to bedtime. First nap today was 1.5 hour but second nap was 2 hours. Should I have shortened to 1.5? 

As well, baby seems to be following a ladder approach to naps which I can see may throw off the rest of the day schedule. After waking up, he gets really tired after 2 hours max. But A time after wake up is 2.5 hours and before bed was 2.75 hours. Should I try to push A time after morning wake up or just push A time after naps?

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Re: 3 -2 transition - shorten naps? Push A times throughout?
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2014, 10:17:20 am »
Could you tell us how old is your LO and post his routine in an EASY format?
The naps seems good to me and I wouldn't shorten then unless they take from the night sleep or cause EW, but I would need to see a whole EASY to know if it's better to shorten them.
I can also say more about his A times if I see a whole day (and night) and if I know how old he is.
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2014, 15:44:24 pm »
He will be 8 months next week but 6.5 months adjusted. Yesterday was as follows:

Wake up - 830
E 845
A 9- 10:30
S - 10:40 - 1200
E 1205
A 12:20 - 2:30
S - 3 to 5:00
E 505
A 520 to 715
BT routine 715 to 745 was asleep by 8 pm

He was awake during the night for about an hour or so. He has not sttn yet.

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Re: 3 -2 transition - shorten naps? Push A times throughout?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2014, 19:58:42 pm »
It sounds like UT. His first A time is too short for his age so I would work on increasing it gradually, by 10min every 3-4 days till you get to 3h or a bit more. You do it gradually to prevent him from getting OT and to give him enough time to get used to the new A time.
Second and third A time I wouldn't mess with right now. It's worth trying just stretching the first one and we can go from there.
If your day doesn't fit anymore then I would cap the second nap but as little as possible right now.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2014, 21:42:44 pm »
OK thanks! I won't shorten his nap times. He has done almost the same schedule today but his first nap was 2 hours so his second A time increased to 2.45min so we will see how the night goes. I'm curious though about the transition to 2 naps vs a 2,3,4 schedule for naps/bedtime.  I know they are different methods but what is your reason for extending his first A time. How will that help him? Whereas with a 2,3,4 approach he would go down after 2 hours but not be overtired.

I guess my other question is that with this transition he is having one less feeding a day. He has started solids so should I find a way to increase the  rest of his milk feedings or do you suspect he would nurse more at night?

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Re: 3 -2 transition - shorten naps? Push A times throughout?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2014, 14:03:21 pm »
Do you have 3 milk feeds right now? These should still stay - one at WU, one in the middle of the day and one before BT.

I am not familiar with the method you mentioned, but the idea of EASY is that A times effect directly the length of each nap so we are tweaking the A times to get a good nap.
There is no reason for him to be OT on a higher A time, which will be an age appropriate A time. Of course, the decision is yours so if you think another method will work better for him, by all means go for it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2014, 14:50:31 pm »
OK thanks so much! Yes he has started averaging 3 to 4 feeds during the day + solids. I will try to extend his A time as being more alert will help with sleep and activities. He got up really early today and stayed awake longer but wasn't overtired so I think we are coming along.

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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2015, 00:07:42 am »
The 30 min naps have come back and I'm not sure why. For the past 2 days, he has had 3 30 min naps. This morning he showed tired signs at 2h 15 mins A time and was just really grouchy.  Tried to put him to sleep but once we got to his room, he was playful. Continued A time but he was still grouchy and at the 3 hour mark, was tired. He didn't actually fall asleep until 3h 30 mins. He slept for 30 mins so I figured he was ot. Next naps were all at 3 hours of A time. Since we just got to 3 hours day before yesterday, should I keep trying to increase A time? He is just so fussy around the 2h 45 mark. I've also tried to resettle all naps but he just refuses. Thoughts?

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Re: 3 -2 transition - shorten naps? Push A times throughout?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2015, 14:06:07 pm »
If you managed already to get to 3h I wouldn't go down from that. I would give it a couple more days and then up it again by 10min.
I know what you mean that he seems tired enough already at 2:45h A time. We had the same issue and for many many weeks of not months I had to carry DS on my arms for the last 30min of his A time. But if I put him down when I thought he showed tired signs and was tired enough to sleep I always got a short nap.
It's tricky because on one hand they need the higher A time and on the other hand can't really cope with them well. That's why we need to help them, yk?
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2015, 20:38:00 pm »
Ok thanks i will give it a shot. First nap was 50 mins after 3 hours of A time, next nap, was only 20 min after 3 hours of A time....the last hour he was entirely fussy. I will keep increasing A time until he naps longer. I don't find his night sleep is being compromised so I'm wondering if this is developmental?

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Re: 3 -2 transition - shorten naps? Push A times throughout?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2015, 21:17:42 pm »
Not to confuse you, but just a thought: if he did only 50min AM nap then it could be that the 3h A time was too long for him and he was OT for his second nap.
I would still keep on doing what you are doing, but if things get messy in the next few days then it's good to remember that this second A time can be shortened as well after a short nap.
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