2-3h A time at night, multiple times.Help!

[dache]

DD turned 1 a week ago. She had only sttn 3-4 nights before but in the past 2,5 weeks she had a few more,she even managed to sttn 2 nights in row. But these nights are just a few in weeks of long A time at night.
She is waking avery 2h and is up 2-3h.
At first it was a surprise.She wake up 10:30/11 and Id give her a bottle but she wouldnt go back to sleep. She started crying hysterically until I took her in the living room, cuddled with her, tired everything I could think of to settle her (stroller, music, rocking, walking...) but the moment I put her in her crib she started crying and I had to do it all over again.
The next same. The third night I decided Im not taking her in the living room but she screamed her head of for 2h before she was asleep the first  time. So I decided I could have her in the bedroom screaming or go in the living room, I decided to go to the living room.
Her wakings became more frequent and longer. She now can fall asleep while cuddling  with me but cries the moment she touches her mattress. Or she has ''normal" A time where she interacts, laughs, plays with the cat....
These nights have become the new normal.
We are not at home, although I dont think this is an issue, she has slept here before and she sttn here more then home.Still, I thought that she might feel anxious in the bedroom so I moved the crib (pick and play) in the living room. Nothing changed.
I know she is moving 2-1. On the nights when she sttn were the ones where she had one nap. She had a cat nap one day in the afternoon and was up all night again. So I thought keep going with one nap will fix things but no, she is now waking again. I feel like Ive done so much apoping,I wont be able to fix things.
Her routine at the moment is like this
wu7/8
nap 11:15-1/2
bt 7:30

Is this a routine issue? WW? Teething? All at once?
Im losing my patience and I cant see a solution for this.
Has anyone else experienced this? Any advice is welcomed!

[Ima shel Alon]

I am going to move you to toddler sleep board just that it's in the right place .

Is she now on one nap every day or just sometimes? How does her day looks like when she is on two naps?

What is your gut feeling? Is it something to do with her routine or it's that it's now a prop and she got used to it?

When DS was a bit older than a year (so maybe the same age as your LO) he had like a week of hysterical crying in the middle of the night, it was as well for hours and hours and we had no idea what was going on. I remember that all the signs were like night terror but he was too young for them and I took him to the Dr. to see what's going on.
He had no idea either and he said he thinks it will pass in a few days and that it sounds like a phase, which it was luckily.
Maybe it's the same with your DD?
We didn't do anything different than usual when it happened, I mean, we didn't start APOP, but just kept on doing PD till it passed. It was one of the hardest times I experienced his sleep, even our neighbors left us a note on the door that they will call child services if the crying goes on! I was upset at the time, but now I can smile about it, me, who never let her baby cry on his own I did write them a nasty note back for the whole building to see .

Anyway, can you try and keep things the same and not do the AP, or the crying is too much for you to bare? Would you consider doing PD for 40min, then go out from the room with her just for a "stroll" in the house and then go back to the room?

If you feel like it can be routine related then I would try and push her one nap to later on in the day, perhaps do it at 12 or 12:30 and see if it makes a difference. Also, she might not be able to do a full 12h day when she has just now transitioned to one nap and perhaps an EBT can help as well.

[dache]

I have a toddler now, ha? Didn't thought of that.

She is one one nap almost all of the time. She was sttn, then had day with 2 naps and started waking up again. It was nap 11-12, and a cat nap at around 3.
DH keeps telling me that I need to take her to the doctor but I feel we`ve been there so many times, I cant really go every she seems off-crying and not sleeping.

How funny about the note. We do get comments on how much she is crying here(at my mum`s) and at home. But that`s the way she is, and when something is bothering she is hysterical. She gets so upset, she screams and has breath holding spells. I really cant do PD.

I tired pushing her nap letter yesterday and she was still up at 9. This time till 12. She woke up, fussed sometime, then she cuddled, then she went crazy playful in the crib. She does a paci fashion show. Gets up with green one in her mouth, goes down and comes back up with a pink one, then with a purple one...She also tires to get up with one dummy in each hand and one in her mouth. Plays peekaboo, and sings and dances. Then she gets fussy again and I know its time for wind down.
We are having fun with her, I have to admit, and the cuddling is nice bc she is not big on cuddling during the day,but I think we all prefer sleeping
I`ve tried keeping things low key, no stimulation...she gets more fussy or makes no difference. This is why Im confused. This is not the first time she is waking up in the night before, but hand on tummy and music helped, now it seems to get her even more upset.
I am afraid Im doing to much ap but she can still settle on her own. In the past two days her long NW has gone to 1-2 but she still has the odd ones where she settles on her own after a few minutes.

In the next few days Im going to try and do 2 naps.To check to see if she is waking bc of she is OT. Give her paracetamol before bt,although Ive tired before and it makes no difference.

I was wondering about feeding though. Since she is waking before the df I`ve decided to use this time to wean her of it, but with all the A time at night I get hungry and am sure she does too. Should I feed her?

[Ima shel Alon]

She is a bit too old to have a DF, no? And is actually a bit old to have any kind of NF... but that's my opinion.

It doesn't sound like OT at all to me. If she is playing like that and is trying to engage you as well then I don't think it's OT, on the contrary - it sounds to me like UT...

A hand on her tummy and music helped and perhaps the DF as well, but babies grow out of these kind of habits and start finding them stimulating and disturbing rather than calming, perhaps this is what it happening with her as well.

[dache]

Yes, it does sound like she is UT, but fun part is 1/3 of it, the other 2/3 are me trying to restless her or calm her down. And I forgot to mention that this is only for the first waking. The second and third she is tiered but will not go to sleep. I really dont think its that. She has only one nap,between 1 1/2 and 2 1/2h. Maybe its teething (molars)? I`ve read that they can be very troubling. 

Two naps was not a good idea. Its after 10pm and she is finally fall asleep now.I did PD, I  lay her down and she gets up or crawls in the crib.  She seemed UT so I let got her out. When she showed signs that she is tiered I did PD and after 4-5 times she was a sleep. I feel very proud of myself, its the first time I did PD.

When I do PD and she is crying but not up, what do I do then?

I know she is old for df and I`ve tried weaning for two months,but there is always something. She is teething, a cold...I guess this is a good time for that, she is awake at her usual df,so what`s the point.So no feeding at night, no matter how many hours she is awake. Got it!

[MasynSpencerElliotte]

The first waking does sound ut and then ot for the next ones which makes sense because at that point she is probably exhausted. Have you noticed if her nights are better if her nap is shorter? I have never used PD but personally I find now that DD3 does not respond to any ap that all I can do is sit beside her bed and reassure her with my voice. If I have to give meds I do it with only my phone on dim and the only talking I do is a set phrase so I am not engaging her at all. I think maybe your DD has figured out that nw's can be fun and that plus ut makes for party time!

[dache]

I havent done pu/pd in the traditional sense. She is a reflux baby so it could not work.
And she hated when I pick her out of the crib after bt.
She woke up an hour after falling asleep and immediately started getting up. I gently put her down and told her its sleepy time. After 2-3 times she stayed down and fall asleep soon.
But at 2 she woke up and could not settle so I had to pick her up. We did nothing but sit. The moment I pick her up she lays her head on my chest and tries to sleep. If I try to put her in the cradle position she gets up. I dont let her fall asleep like that. When she is calm enough I put her down, the moment she touches her mattress she is crying. We dud this last night. And then she woke up one more time but settle with the paci.

I have a few more questions but I have people over so Ill be back letter

[dache]

Ok, back with the questions.
Very upset. Bt tonight was 9. She had 7h of A time after the nap and 5 before that.
She is not LSN. She needs her sleep, if not she is very fussy, cranky and crying.

I rally dont know what to do. Sleep (like everything else) has always been an issue but not Im lost. Dont know what`s going on and what to do. .

This is what I was wondering

When she wakes up until now Ive taken her to the living room bc she calms down there. It does not matter if there is people there, if its dark, the tv is on...The one time I decided not to do that it took me a lot of time to calm her down and even more to get her to sleep. Should I not do that? Just stay in the bedroom, not matter how much she cries?

Doing PD  when she is trying to get up I know what to do, but what do I do when she is crying and does not get up?
At home I can pull the crib next to our bed, lay on it and have my hand on her. Now she is sleeping in pack'n play (I kept saying pick and play sorry for the misunderstanding)
 
similar to this one, which means that hand on her tummy would be hard unless I unzip the side, which I think she might see it as a distraction. Talking to her is also a distraction.

Should I try for the hand on chest? Hearing her cry is hard for me but I can have music on earphones.  I know she will get VERY!!! upset. Should I take breaks if I try this? Pick her up when she gets so upset?   Im up for anything!

The good thing about this is that she is AGHHHGH she is up, after 45minutes!-What I wanted to say is the good thing is that I am no longer giving her a df.

Well that went "nice". It took almost 2h to get her asleep in the pack'n play.
No fun time today. She was looking at the door crying,I`m guessing she wanted to go but I didnt took her. She cried and cried in my arms until she gave in and rested her head on my chest. So I tired the usual, have her in my arms a few minutes, then lay her in the pack'n play. Sometimes I didnt even got to touch the mattress. She seems almost asleep, even asleep Id say but when I put her down she cries a lot or gets up. PD did not work. So she is making these snoring sounds but is not sleeping.

Im thinking about going home. She will have less distractions and it would be easy to do the hand on chest thing, but it will be hard for me because I will not have any support.
Its still me that deals with the wakings,but Im not alone. Maybe I should let someone else try settling her

[Ima shel Alon]

But at 2 she woke up and could not settle so I had to pick her up. We did nothing but sit. The moment I pick her up she lays her head on my chest and tries to sleep

What do you mean by could not settle? Have you tried your version on PD again and it didn't work? For how long have you tried it?

When she wakes up until now Ive taken her to the living room bc she calms down there. It does not matter if there is people there, if its dark, the tv is on...The one time I decided not to do that it took me a lot of time to calm her down and even more to get her to sleep. Should I not do that? Just stay in the bedroom, not matter how much she cries?

That's a bit of a tricky question, it really depends what works for your family. I personally, never took DS out of his room and did all settling in his bedroom even in hard times when it took us hours It does sound to me like it became a prop and that she is "expecting" you to take her to the sitting room.

Should I try for the hand on chest? Hearing her cry is hard for me but I can have music on earphones.  I know she will get VERY!!! upset. Should I take breaks if I try this? Pick her up when she gets so upset?   Im up for anything!

If she is not standing up you can leave the room and come back when she does, kind of WI/WO. It can also be that your presence is stimulating her and by you leaving her to settle by herself you will see a change.
Your other option is to do like Heidi mentioned (we did that as well but DS was a bit older) which is to stay in the room next to her that she knows you are there for her but you don't interact in any way. you can say from time to time that it's sleepy time or something like this.

[dache]

You are right about being a prop. So from tomorrow sleep and sleep training is done in the bedroom.
When I say she wouldnt settle I mean I tried pd, (and usually other methods) for at least 30 minutes, but it usually is for 1-2h.

Hand on chest worked last night. She woke up at 3 and calmed down when I took her out of the crib. The moment I put her down she started crying. I decided Im to tiered to play that game again and I stayed there,hand stretched over, uncomfortable but happy that it worked. She woke up again before 6 but did not cry, she was calling us to get her so I didnt went to her. Waited until she started crying. Did PD once and hand on chest she calmed down in 5 minutes.


The past two days nap is 12-2. When bt comes she is still happy,clearly ut. Im thinking of cupping it at 1:30 or move it back to 11. Tonight bt was so perfect, bath, bottle, no stimulation,and here she is still up. In the crib she did the usual up/down, crawl. Its so frustrating, I try to get this better but they become worse!

[Ima shel Alon]

I wouldn't push the nap back to 11, I think it might be too early for her but I do think it's a good idea to start and cap the nap to see if it helps with BT.

[dache]

She did not slept well last night. Not crying but moving a lot, she seemed like she never went into deep sleep. I only had to do hand on chest once, briefly, but I had to do pd a few more times.
She was so tiered today it was hard to push the nap to 11.  Slept for 2h.
And bt was 8 instead of 9 like the previous 2 days.
I think she might be teething, maybe even molars. If its that than I can see how this is possible, her tummy gets upset, her reflux activates and she spits up a bit here and there.

Like planned, she is sleeping in the bedroom. FX tonight goes well

[dache]

I cant believe I`m writing this but she sttn. 11.5h!
First time ever.
her day was like this
wu 7
nap 11-1
bt 8
woke up at 7:30 today. Im going to try this today and see if it works again.

[Ima shel Alon]

Great!

[dache]

Thank you. It was like I had a different child after she sttn. She was sooooooo happy.

Last night she had 4h A time
I hope it was the noise of firecrackers and music. She was very fussy today and resisted bt a lot.

I hope she goes back to sttn!